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Castello

Castello
May 28, 2009
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Tottenham
I'm afraid you've missed the point. I'm not comparing tax fraud to benefit fraud; I'm comparing possible tax fraud to the cost of our out of control benefits culture. Spending ten times as much stopping benefit fraud as we do stopping tax evasion doesn't bother me; if we started making real cuts in the amount paid to the sort of selfish, stupid young women discussed in this thread I'd be pleased.
"Attacking the poor for being desperate": which desperate poor would that be?

Actually Im afraid you miss the point. I compared tax fraud to benefit fraud to make the point that the rich cheat more money from the system than the poor.

You talk about an alleged benefit culture. Leaving aside there is no real evidence beyond your imagination of this culture, lets talk about the tax culture in this country. Most people quite reasonably dont want to pay tax. However the vast majority know they get quite a lot for the tax they pay, and whilst they may like it to be spent more on one thing than the other accept that it has to be paid for in one way or the other.

A minority of mostly wealthy people feel that employing accountants to reduce tax, hiding their assets away so that the tax man doesnt find it or plain and simply defrauding the tax man to the tune of at least £15 billion p.a. The culture they live in is that this is acceptable and tax evasion is a victimless crime. Quite clearly you are one of them. Wake up! This culture of tax avoidance costs far more than any benefit culture you care to imagine does.

I work with 16 - 21 year old homeless teenagers. The majority are unemployed. the majority of those that are unemployed want to find work. The problem for them finding work is that 90% of what they earn will be clawed back by loss of benefits, making them about £10 better off for working 40 hours. We have to advise them to decide upon a career and either find work starting out in that career, go to college or to seek voluntary work that will aid them in their future career prospects. This is the true benefit culture for most of the unemployed. Working themselves through an overly complicated overly bureaucratic system to get a few pounds to keep themselves alive whilst they work towards a better future.

I am truly sorry for you if you feel that being unemployed or living on a benefit level income is anything but a desperate and miserable existance.
 




ROKERITE

Active member
Dec 30, 2007
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Actually Im afraid you miss the point. I compared tax fraud to benefit fraud to make the point that the rich cheat more money from the system than the poor.

You talk about an alleged benefit culture. Leaving aside there is no real evidence beyond your imagination of this culture, lets talk about the tax culture in this country. Most people quite reasonably dont want to pay tax. However the vast majority know they get quite a lot for the tax they pay, and whilst they may like it to be spent more on one thing than the other accept that it has to be paid for in one way or the other.

A minority of mostly wealthy people feel that employing accountants to reduce tax, hiding their assets away so that the tax man doesnt find it or plain and simply defrauding the tax man to the tune of at least £15 billion p.a. The culture they live in is that this is acceptable and tax evasion is a victimless crime. Quite clearly you are one of them. Wake up! This culture of tax avoidance costs far more than any benefit culture you care to imagine does.

I work with 16 - 21 year old homeless teenagers. The majority are unemployed. the majority of those that are unemployed want to find work. The problem for them finding work is that 90% of what they earn will be clawed back by loss of benefits, making them about £10 better off for working 40 hours. We have to advise them to decide upon a career and either find work starting out in that career, go to college or to seek voluntary work that will aid them in their future career prospects. This is the true benefit culture for most of the unemployed. Working themselves through an overly complicated overly bureaucratic system to get a few pounds to keep themselves alive whilst they work towards a better future.

I am truly sorry for you if you feel that being unemployed or living on a benefit level income is anything but a desperate and miserable existance.

Welll there you are; as you make clear, the destructive effect of an overgenerous benefits system. The young people you talk of find it isn't worth their while to work. Slash the amount they're paid for doing nothing and their quandary disappears.
You hijacked this thread to vent your leftist spleen. It was a thread about feckless, selfish, stupid young people bringing more mouths into the world and more burdens onto a welfare state that is crippling our country. If you really believe we don't have an out of control benefits culture in this country you must be living in cloud cuckoo land. Come and spend a few days in Sunderland and maybe your eyes will be opened, though there are none as blind as those who will not see.
By the way, I haven't paid any direct tax for years; not because I have a clever accountant, but because I'm stony broke. I feel no overwhelming anger about the tax cheats, though I certainly believe they should be caught and made to pay their dues. I do seethe at the damage and destruction caused by McDonald, his "conquests" and their ilk. Maybe it's a matter of philosophy; I've always been less annoyed by those who make money by hard work but don't pay all they should, than by those who never have contributed and never will contribute to our society, but take from the cradle to the grave.
I don't think our minds are going to meet Castello.
 


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