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dazzer6666

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I'm not suggesting you've made up that bullshit, but someone has.

Performance not materially affected, but likelihood of injury increased according to this study :

ABSTRACT

Recovery duration may be too short during the congested fixtures of professional soccer players with regard to maintaining physical performance and a low injury rate.
To analyze the effects of 2 matches per week on physical performance and injury rate in male elite soccer players.
Cohort study; Level of evidence, 3.
Match results, match-related physical performance, and injuries were monitored during 2 seasons (2007-2008 and 2008-2009) for 32 professional soccer players in a top-level team participating in the UEFA (Union of European Football Associations) Champions League. Total distance, high-intensity distance, sprint distance, and number of sprints were collected for 52 home matches. Injuries and player participation in matches and training were recorded throughout the full season.
Physical performance, as characterized by total distance covered, high-intensity distance, sprint distance, and number of sprints, was not significantly affected by the number of matches per week (1 versus 2), whereas the injury rate was significantly higher when players played 2 matches per week versus 1 match per week (25.6 versus 4.1 injuries per 1000 hours of exposure; P < .001).
The recovery time between 2 matches, 72 to 96 hours, appears sufficient to maintain the level of physical performance tested but is not long enough to maintain a low injury rate. The present data highlight the need for player rotation and for improved recovery strategies to maintain a low injury rate among athletes during periods with congested match fixtures.

Full paper : https://www.researchgate.net/public..._Week_on_Physical_Performance_and_Injury_Rate
 




darkwolf666

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Nov 8, 2015
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Performance not materially affected, but likelihood of injury increased according to this study :

ABSTRACT

Recovery duration may be too short during the congested fixtures of professional soccer players with regard to maintaining physical performance and a low injury rate.
To analyze the effects of 2 matches per week on physical performance and injury rate in male elite soccer players.
Cohort study; Level of evidence, 3.
Match results, match-related physical performance, and injuries were monitored during 2 seasons (2007-2008 and 2008-2009) for 32 professional soccer players in a top-level team participating in the UEFA (Union of European Football Associations) Champions League. Total distance, high-intensity distance, sprint distance, and number of sprints were collected for 52 home matches. Injuries and player participation in matches and training were recorded throughout the full season.
Physical performance, as characterized by total distance covered, high-intensity distance, sprint distance, and number of sprints, was not significantly affected by the number of matches per week (1 versus 2), whereas the injury rate was significantly higher when players played 2 matches per week versus 1 match per week (25.6 versus 4.1 injuries per 1000 hours of exposure; P < .001).
The recovery time between 2 matches, 72 to 96 hours, appears sufficient to maintain the level of physical performance tested but is not long enough to maintain a low injury rate. The present data highlight the need for player rotation and for improved recovery strategies to maintain a low injury rate among athletes during periods with congested match fixtures.

Full paper : https://www.researchgate.net/public..._Week_on_Physical_Performance_and_Injury_Rate

Tend to dispel that analysis mainly on the ground that the report thinks football is called SOCCER!!!
 


casbom

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Jul 24, 2007
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He'll go 4-5-1 when we're defending and 4-3-3 when attacking, which means two wingers. I expect Murphy, Knocky & Hemed as the top 3 with the obvious other 8 behind them.
 


DFL JCL

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Could the wheels be about to come off for Hull? massive couple of weeks for them. Distraction of the FA cup on Saturday hopefully a good time to play them.

Hull v Brighton Tue 16 Feb
Arsenal v Hull Sat 20 Feb
Ipswich v Hull Tue 23 Feb
Hull v Sheff Wed Fri 26 Feb
Birmingham v Hull Thu 3 Mar
 


Hugo Rune

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Could the wheels be about to come off for Hull? massive couple of weeks for them. Distraction of the FA cup on Saturday hopefully a good time to play them.

Hull v BrightonTue 16 Feb
Arsenal v HullSat 20 Feb
Ipswich v HullTue 23 Feb
Hull v Sheff WedFri 26 Feb
Birmingham v HullThu 3 Mar

They've got two good teams in Forest & Boro at the end of March too. Hopefully they'll go through a bad patch similar to ours and Derby's very soon.
 




sparkie

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Could the wheels be about to come off for Hull? massive couple of weeks for them. Distraction of the FA cup on Saturday hopefully a good time to play them.

Hull v BrightonTue 16 Feb
Arsenal v HullSat 20 Feb
Ipswich v HullTue 23 Feb
Hull v Sheff WedFri 26 Feb
Birmingham v HullThu 3 Mar
Hopefully the Middlesbrough wheels also stay off tonight, and for a few more matches yet.
 


Bold Seagull

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Mar 18, 2010
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Despite four very welcome lovely wins, the last three homes games I feel have showed a real lack of ball retention. We should have had more of the ball than 53/47 against Bolton, and Brentford was only 35%, Huddersfield we have 38% despite winning both those games. We really will be found out against better sides if we don't have the ball enough. Because we have 2 up front and attacking wingers, we seem too eager to get the ball forward into channels, we've been looking more and more like a long ball side - all be it its worked in the last 4 games.

I certainly wouldn't be upset to see us lining up with 5 across the middle on Tuesday, Hemed most likely deserves to keep his place.
 


Hugo Rune

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Despite four very welcome lovely wins, the last three homes games I feel have showed a real lack of ball retention. We should have had more of the ball than 53/47 against Bolton, and Brentford was only 35%, Huddersfield we have 38% despite winning both those games. We really will be found out against better sides if we don't have the ball enough. Because we have 2 up front and attacking wingers, we seem too eager to get the ball forward into channels, we've been looking more and more like a long ball side - all be it its worked in the last 4 games.

I certainly wouldn't be upset to see us lining up with 5 across the middle on Tuesday, Hemed most likely deserves to keep his place.

I've noticed over the last three games that we seem reticent to play the ball on the deck. I'm blaming the Amex pitch. Lots of long ugly balls played for 50/50 challenges but we're winning so I'm not too bothered at present.
 






Stat Brother

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Despite four very welcome lovely wins, the last three homes games I feel have showed a real lack of ball retention. We should have had more of the ball than 53/47 against Bolton, and Brentford was only 35%, Huddersfield we have 38% despite winning both those games. We really will be found out against better sides if we don't have the ball enough. Because we have 2 up front and attacking wingers, we seem too eager to get the ball forward into channels, we've been looking more and more like a long ball side - all be it its worked in the last 4 games.

I certainly wouldn't be upset to see us lining up with 5 across the middle on Tuesday, Hemed most likely deserves to keep his place.
But the last 4 games were 'won' with half an hour to go.
The team surrendered possession in favour of resolute defending and counter attacking behind the opposition defence.
That's always going skew the figures.
I bet if you broke down those figures into thirds, we had most of the ball for the first 30 mins, equal for the next 30, and none for the last.
 


Bold Seagull

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Mar 18, 2010
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But the last 4 games were 'won' with half an hour to go.
The team surrendered possession in favour of resolute defending and counter attacking behind the opposition defence.
That's always going skew the figures.
I bet if you broke down those figures into thirds, we had most of the ball for the first 30 mins, equal for the next 30, and none for the last.

Brentford - I wasn't aware we touched the ball for the first 30mins...I think they had 70% for the the first 20mins of the game.

Bolton - should have gone 3-2 up with the 1 on 1 they had where Stockdale produced ANOTHER match saving save. We let Bolton into the game twice because of not being able to control the football. In all honesty, with some composure on the ball, and retaining possession, that should have been another 2 or 3 goal margin win.

Got to say, what has skewed the figures is Knockeart, because he is either scoring or setting up goals, and however badly we are keeping possession, or lumping it forward, he is producing the goods. He has been the 1.21 gigawatts shot in the arm we've needed, and regardless of possession, he produces.

We have got to keep the ball better though. Perhaps that needs to retain to the side as the confidence grows and not necessarily through changes in formation.
 




Bigtomfu

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Jul 25, 2003
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Harrow
I personally think it's a partially deliberate move. I think there's no point having the ball for 70% of the time if you don't do anything with it.

Now we're consistently seeing it less but being more explosive with it when the opportunity presents itself.

Get used to it folks and enjoy the pace!
 


warmleyseagull

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Stockdale

Bruno
Dunk
Goldson
Calderón

Knockeart
Kayal
Sidwell
Stephens
Murphy

Hemed

Subs: Maenpa, Rea, Skalak, Crofts, Zamora, Lua Lua, Baldock

Think this is most likely. What do folk think about the fact that we have 4 games in 11 days? Rotation has been discussed, and there was no doubt we looked tired against Boro (as observed by Karanka) after two tough games, Boro having themselves made some rotational changes.

We have Lua Lua, Baldock, Skalak, Crofts, Wilson & BZ (assuming team above) all readily available for a start, in theory at least. Not quite sure about GG and Bong, Hun seems to have moved off radar, Rosenior not ready.

I would suggest that some rotation is desirable after Tues, perhaps rest Hemed, Knocky and Murphy from start in one game each with Wilson, Lua Lua, Skalak to start? Stephens looks slightly off boil so Sidwell retains place for one game assuming revert to 4-4-2. Kayal is so important that hate to drop him even for one game. just hope he keeps going.

Do we think Calde can handle 3 in 8?
 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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Goldstone
Not baffling when you consider that the sports science is that players suffer a ~20% drop in performance when playing Saturday then Tuesday.

ABSTRACT

Recovery duration may be too short during the congested fixtures of professional soccer players with regard to maintaining physical performance and a low injury rate.
To analyze the effects of 2 matches per week on physical performance and injury rate in male elite soccer players.
Cohort study; Level of evidence, 3.
Match results, match-related physical performance, and injuries were monitored during 2 seasons (2007-2008 and 2008-2009) for 32 professional soccer players in a top-level team participating in the UEFA (Union of European Football Associations) Champions League. Total distance, high-intensity distance, sprint distance, and number of sprints were collected for 52 home matches. Injuries and player participation in matches and training were recorded throughout the full season.
Physical performance, as characterized by total distance covered, high-intensity distance, sprint distance, and number of sprints, was not significantly affected by the number of matches per week (1 versus 2), whereas the injury rate was significantly higher when players played 2 matches per week versus 1 match per week (25.6 versus 4.1 injuries per 1000 hours of exposure; P < .001).
The recovery time between 2 matches, 72 to 96 hours, appears sufficient to maintain the level of physical performance tested but is not long enough to maintain a low injury rate. The present data highlight the need for player rotation and for improved recovery strategies to maintain a low injury rate among athletes during periods with congested match fixtures.

Full paper : https://www.researchgate.net/public..._Week_on_Physical_Performance_and_Injury_Rate
So I was right then.
 




Napier's Knee

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Naylor reporting Rosenior in squad for tomorrow but only as cover. He's almost back. Superb news
 


chaileyjem

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So i'm expecting (4-5-1)

Stockdale
Bruno Goldson Dunk Calde
Murphy Sidwell Kayal Stephens Knockeart
Hemed

Subs: Ankergren, Rosenior, Crofts, Rea/Towell, Wilson, Lua Lua, Baldock/Skalak/Zamora

(hard to predict how he will go with the strikers but something has to give)
 




Uncle C

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Jul 6, 2004
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Bishops Stortford
There is no chance Zamora will make the game after playing all those minutes on Saturday.
 




Bigtomfu

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Harrow
Great to see Rosenior back in the squad even if it's precautionary as cover for Calde. Would like to see him get ten/fifteen minutes if possible which would be all important from a fitness perspective.

Hoping we go 4-5-1 with Hemed as the 1 and with a Wilson/Baldock cameo in the 2nd half.

Keep Murphy/Knockaert as the wingers then switch for Skalak and Kaz after 60 mins. Could be absolute MINT.
 




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