taking the knee - what are your thoughts

[Blue Valkyrie]

If you're a big advocate of free speech why don't you respect the England teams right to freedom of expression? If you believe you should be allowed to say what you like regardless of what anyone thinks that should apply to everyone. Using your rules, The England team should be allowed to take the knee and not give a stuff what you think

That will cause a logic overflow in the algorithm.

Exception thrown : "Unknown error".

 

[cunning fergus]

'Some' England fans in particular have always found something to boo – one of the few nations especially at 'unifying' tournaments, who boo an opponent's national anthem, one of the few nations to regularly kick off in a host city. Football since the late 60s, 70s hasn't been a unifying experience given the far right element that has always followed England. 1996 managed to wrestle a lion's share of England back from them, but every now and again, such as a good booing, they manage to raise their heads above the parapet to remind everyone that a violent clash in a town square after far too many Carlings is never far off.

The irony is, that the booing and objection to the gesture has made it more difficult to drop. It's emboldened a need for it rather than it transforming into something else. They can't stop now because it looks like the boo-boys will have won. Such is the way with symbols.

You sound older and more experienced in this area than me, I only actively followed England in late 80s, 90s and early 00s so maybe I missed the far right element. I used to go with a group of Birmingham fans, and they were a mixed group racially and yet I never saw any prejudice to them from other England fans. Possibly that was because they were Birmingham fans. The European fans we encountered on the other hand......

Anyway, I think you are correct about the knee and we will move into a next phase which will be about the FA/authorities peeling off the booers to make the knee taking an established protocol of televised football matches. That may work for as long as we don’t have a shocking event like the Manchester bombing or similar.

Do you think had Eriksson not pulled through on Saturday that the start of football matches (had they even carried on with the Euros) would have involved the knee? I would have liked to have been in that meeting with players saying “yeah of course we will wear an armband for Chris, but he was privileged so we also need time for the knee.........”

 

[cunning fergus]

'Some' England fans in particular have always found something to boo – one of the few nations especially at 'unifying' tournaments, who boo an opponent's national anthem, one of the few nations to regularly kick off in a host city. Football since the late 60s, 70s hasn't been a unifying experience given the far right element that has always followed England. 1996 managed to wrestle a lion's share of England back from them, but every now and again, such as a good booing, they manage to raise their heads above the parapet to remind everyone that a violent clash in a town square after far too many Carlings is never far off.

The irony is, that the booing and objection to the gesture has made it more difficult to drop. It's emboldened a need for it rather than it transforming into something else. They can't stop now because it looks like the boo-boys will have won. Such is the way with symbols.

You sound older and more experienced in this area than me, I only actively followed England in late 80s, 90s and early 00s so maybe I missed the far right element. I used to go with a group of Birmingham fans, and they were a mixed group racially and yet I never saw any prejudice to them from other England fans. Possibly that was because they were Birmingham fans. The European fans we encountered on the other hand......

Anyway, I think you are correct about the knee and we will move into a next phase which will be about the FA/authorities peeling off the booers to make the knee taking an established protocol of televised football matches. That may work for as long as we don’t have a shocking event like the Manchester bombing or similar.

Do you think had Eriksson not pulled through on Saturday that the start of football matches (had they even carried on with the Euros) would have involved the knee? I would have liked to have been in that meeting with players saying “yeah of course we will wear an armband for Chris, but he was privileged so we also need time for the knee.........”

 

[Lever]

Here is a thoroughly confused England supporter....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izs-g-cQU-o

 

[Razzoo]

Here is a thoroughly confused England supporter....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izs-g-cQU-o

 

[johanngull]

If you're a big advocate of free speech why don't you respect the England teams right to freedom of expression? If you believe you should be allowed to say what you like regardless of what anyone thinks that should apply to everyone. Using your rules, The England team should be allowed to take the knee and not give a stuff what you think

Yes
The England football team must be allowed their freedom of expression to take the knee if they want to.
Those that disagree with the England team choice must be allowed to criticise that decision though and be allowed to be completely against taking the knee if that is their opinion.
Those that disagree with those who criticise anyone taking the knee must be able to be critical of them as well.

Free speech is alive and well for all sides.

 

[Lever]

Interesting.

I wonder where this critic gets his evidence from......

 

[Razzoo]

Interesting.

I wonder where this critic gets his evidence from......

Most of the rant is aimed at Gary Linekers tweet and JOB's phone in

 

[Randy McNob]

Most of the rant is aimed at Gary Linekers tweet and JOB's phone in

I enjoyed that actually, quite funny

I don't quite agree though, he says you cannot seperate the phrase BLM with the orgnaisation, fair enough, but that would mean (imo) your average football fan who booed is not motivated by racism and is politically switched on.

 

[Razzoo]

I enjoyed that actually, quite funny

I don't quite agree though, he says you cannot seperate the phrase BLM with the orgnaisation, fair enough, but that would mean (imo) your average football fan who booed is not motivated by racism and is politically switched on.

Do you recall fans booing previous Kick it Out displays at matches? Of course some fans are racist but I believe the vast majority of fans aren't including some of the booers. (is booer even a word?)

 

[Mo Gosfield]

Do you recall fans booing previous Kick it Out displays at matches? Of course some fans are racist but I believe the vast majority of fans aren't including some of the booers. (is booer even a word?)

I disagree.
I believe that the traits of tribalism displayed by football fans, crosses over into racialism. Within the UK, there is a lot of antagonism between the Home Countries. The English being widely disliked by the Scots, Irish and Welsh and many English fans feel similarly disposed to dislike their neighbours. Its historical and inbred. Its replicated all over the world. Its not a small minority, its general. Too many people confuse racial prejudice with colour prejudice. Anti-Semitism has nothing to do with skin colour.
A racist is someone who believes in the superiority of a particular race and participates in antagonistic behaviour toward other races. The KKK and the Nation of Islam are racist organisations, one believing in white supremacy, the other in black supremacy. When the President of the US delivers a eulogy at the funeral of a close friend who was a KKK member, then we still have a very long way to go.
There is racialism and racism in every walk of life and there has been since man first appeared on this planet. It will never disappear but the hope is that, tiny bit by tiny bit, it changes and improves. Footballers are telling us that they want to educate and inform, on the subject of discrimination. Well thats fine, to some extent, but if you are putting yourself forward as leaders and role models, then start trying to display some basic integrity yourselves, when carrying out your profession.
The only real role models in life are parents. They are the movers and shakers. They set the example for children to follow.

 

[Baker lite]

Point of order, how come the Scots didn’t grovel on the knee to a career criminal and a movement that wishes to defund the police before they had their pants pulled down Monday, but are doing so tomorrow night at Wembley? Very odd.


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[Pretty pink fairy]

Good to see Harry Maguire not taking the knee yesterday may the trend continue keep Marxists agitators out of football
Regards
DF

 

[Lever]

..typical self delusion by the terminally stupid...

I think this answers the daftest post on this matter....

https://twitter.com/docrussjackson/status/1411664498411331586

 

[The Clamp]

Good to see Harry Maguire not taking the knee yesterday may the trend continue keep Marxists agitators out of football
Regards
DF

He did kneel. You were too busy posting stupid videos in the bear pit minutes before kick off to notice what was going on. You really are a cretin.

 

[Baker lite]

He did kneel. You were too busy posting stupid videos in the bear pit minutes before kick off to notice what was going on. You really are a cretin.

Did you take the knee before the match?..

 

[The Clamp]

Did you take the knee before the match?..

Do you work hard at coming up with moronic questions or does it come naturally?

 

[Baker lite]

Do you work hard at coming up with moronic questions or does it come naturally?

You seem particularly rattled this sunny forenoon, I was was just about to take a knee in the G&D.. then I saw our Harry refusing to.
I decided to stand against racism, proud like our Harry .
Top of the morning to you [emoji1303]

 

[The Clamp]

You seem particularly rattled this sunny forenoon, I was was just about to take a knee in the G&D.. then I saw our Harry refusing to.
I decided to stand against racism, proud like our Harry .
Top of the morning to you [emoji1303]

Rattled? Please don’t go down the route of trying to make out other posters are “rattled”, “triggered” or “angry”. It’s the surest sign that you have nothing of substance to say, a real barrel scraper. Even you are better than that.

Having said that, you are a very unlikeable man and I don’t intend to waste my morning on moronic back and forth with you.

Enjoy another day in the pit

 

[birthofanorange]

.... then I saw our Harry refusing to. [emoji1303]

No, no you didn't, so you're either a liar or a muppet - probably both.