taking the knee - what are your thoughts

[cunning fergus]

So really it's a matter of interpretation...

Trouble is that interpretation is broadly along political lines and people's stance on this is generally predictable.

Once again, I am sure there are hidden agendas on both sides of the divide - and for some it is the political perspective that dictates how they respond, in spite of Southgate reassuring the public that the team gesture is first, last and only about racial inequality.

For many reasons this is a deeply divided country and as far as I can see reaction to 'the knee' showcases those divisions; but I don't think it caused them.

Agree with that. Won’t replay views but on knee, however re the divided country point, think divisions in the U.K. have always existed, maybe with today’s 24 hour media, the rise of the commentariat and social media there is an amplification of that division which makes the divisions feel deeper than they really are.

That said their certainly feel like there are more divisions today, and that the divisions are more polarised. Sport and football should be a unifying medium (as much as it is possible in a game with rivalry) with the euros/World Cup providing periodic nation unifying experiences (like Russia last year).

This is the first such event where that more broadly unifying experience has been lost, and that is a shame.

The olympics start in a month and I think we will see more of the same there, especially now the IOC has banned the knee. Interesting that the ban was following polling of 3000 participating athletes of which over 70% said the Olympics should not be used as a means of registering any political protest. A landslide.

 

[Chicken Run]

Disappointed again to hear the booing at the England game yesterday, why can’t people just respect the players wishes?


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[KeegansHairPiece]

Agree with that. Won’t replay views but on knee, however re the divided country point, think divisions in the U.K. have always existed, maybe with today’s 24 hour media, the rise of the commentariat and social media there is an amplification of that division which makes the divisions feel deeper than they really are.

That said their certainly feel like there are more divisions today, and that the divisions are more polarised. Sport and football should be a unifying medium (as much as it is possible in a game with rivalry) with the euros/World Cup providing periodic nation unifying experiences (like Russia last year).

This is the first such event where that more broadly unifying experience has been lost, and that is a shame.

The olympics start in a month and I think we will see more of the same there, especially now the IOC has banned the knee. Interesting that the ban was following polling of 3000 participating athletes of which over 70% said the Olympics should not be used as a means of registering any political protest. A landslide.

'Some' England fans in particular have always found something to boo – one of the few nations especially at 'unifying' tournaments, who boo an opponent's national anthem, one of the few nations to regularly kick off in a host city. Football since the late 60s, 70s hasn't been a unifying experience given the far right element that has always followed England. 1996 managed to wrestle a lion's share of England back from them, but every now and again, such as a good booing, they manage to raise their heads above the parapet to remind everyone that a violent clash in a town square after far too many Carlings is never far off.

The irony is, that the booing and objection to the gesture has made it more difficult to drop. It's emboldened a need for it rather than it transforming into something else. They can't stop now because it looks like the boo-boys will have won. Such is the way with symbols.

 

[Baker lite]

Disappointed again to hear the booing at the England game yesterday, why can’t people just respect the players wishes?


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Quite, if the players, as a unanimous collective have decided to Kneel for thugs that desecrate war memorials and wish to defund the police that is entirely upto them. The fans should respect their wishes,those that disagree should take their seat after the whole episode has taken place, it’s only 5 seconds [emoji2371]


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[The Clamp]

Quite, if the players, as a unanimous collective have decided to Kneel for thugs that desecrate war memorials and wish to defund the police that is entirely upto them. The fans should respect their wishes,those that disagree should take their seat after the whole episode has taken place, it’s only 5 seconds [emoji2371]


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Why don’t you just turn it in, you racist prick? People are taking the knee, despite you pissing your pants on here every day for weeks. Live with it.

 

[Baker lite]

Why don’t you just turn it in, you racist prick? People are taking the knee, despite you pissing your pants on here every day for weeks. Live with it.

Calm down dear. If you’re unhappy with it,there’s no need for the personal insults...you don’t want a ban.


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[The Clamp]

Calm down dear. If you’re unhappy with it,there’s no need for the personal insults...you don’t want a ban.


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You need help.

 

[Weststander]

It’s .

Don’t fall for it.

 

[The Clamp]

It’s .

Don’t fall for it.

I know, I know. My bad. I shouldn’t feed racist trolls like Bakerlite.
Thanks, you’re right.

 

[Weststander]

I know, I know. My bad. I shouldn’t feed racist trolls like Bakerlite.
Thanks, you’re right.

It’s an internet wind-up artist thing, even if you exclude the politics angle.

Someone explodes ….. bingo ….. one-nil.

 

[The Clamp]

It’s an internet wind-up artist thing, even if you exclude the politics angle.

Someone explodes ….. bingo ….. one-nil.

I would hardly call describing him as a racist prick as “exploding” but yeah, I get ya.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

If you're a big advocate of free speech why don't you respect the England teams right to freedom of expression? If you believe you should be allowed to say what you like regardless of what anyone thinks that should apply to everyone. Using your rules, The England team should be allowed to take the knee and not give a stuff what you think

That may be the case but it doesn't stop people objecting to it
Regards
DF

 

[Baker lite]

It’s an internet wind-up artist thing, even if you exclude the politics angle.

Someone explodes ….. bingo ….. one-nil.

The clue is in the thread title.
The English National football team have made a unanimous decision to take the knee for a movement that desecrates war memorials,fires flare guns at police horses and wants to defund the police, that is entirely their choice. I have stated on several occasions that I will not boo, I shall just take my seat after the whole episode. It’s a discussion forum is it not?
I would much rather stand up to racism than Kneel for thugs.


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[beorhthelm]

The irony is, that the booing and objection to the gesture has made it more difficult to drop. It's emboldened a need for it rather than it transforming into something else. They can't stop now because it looks like the boo-boys will have won. Such is the way with symbols.

absolutely, but the booing-children are too ignorant to realise this.

 

[Randy McNob]

The clue is in the thread title.
The English National football team have made a unanimous decision to take the knee for a movement that desecrates war memorials,fires flare guns at police horses and wants to defund the police, that is entirely their choice. I have stated on several occasions that I will not boo, I shall just take my seat after the whole episode. It’s a discussion forum is it not?
I would much rather stand up to racism than Kneel for thugs.


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carefull you dont wet your mattress....

 

[Baker lite]

Our Nigel knows.
https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1404360783467851777?s=21


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[Lever]

Our Nigel knows.
https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1404360783467851777?s=21


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'You cannot separate the act of taking the knee from the Marxist BLM political movement. They are one and the same.' In his opinion.

Why is Farage given so much air time and who does he represent? He may be good box office but he has no mandate to speak for anyone else other than himself.

Also, he may be a racist, he may not, but there is no doubt that he attracts a racist following.....

 

[Randy McNob]

'You cannot separate the act of taking the knee from the Marxist BLM political movement. They are one and the same.' In his opinion.

Why is Farage given so much air time and who does he represent? He may be good box office but he has no mandate to speak for anyone else other than himself.

Also, he may be a racist, he may not, but there is no doubt that he attracts a racist following.....

He only represents plutocracy

 

[Bakero]

'You cannot separate the act of taking the knee from the Marxist BLM political movement. They are one and the same.' In his opinion.
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The thing is most people are quite capable of separating an organisation (or persons within it) from the broader movement. It's really not complicated. In fact, it's far easier to believe that the England players are kneeling for equality rather than engage in the frightening mental gymnastics needed to accept that Harry Kane is a Marxist sleeper cell.

For Farage and his ilk, Marxism is a handy dog whistle blown to smear an antiracist movement. It's just depressing that this bollocks is able to gain traction.

 

[Randy McNob]

The thing is most people are quite capable of separating an organisation (or persons within it) from the broader movement. It's really not complicated. In fact, it's far easier to believe that the England players are kneeling for equality rather than engage in the frightening mental gymnastics needed to accept that Harry Kane is a Marxist sleeper cell.

For Farage and his ilk, Marxism is a handy dog whistle blown to smear an antiracist movement. It's just depressing that this bollocks is able to gain traction.

it's also regurgitated by people who mostly do not understand what Marxism means.