Syncronized dies in the national

[Triggaaar]

yes its all vey sad, but it really annoys me when people who know nothing/little about Horses and Racing voice opinions such as these, please do some more research

What have these people got wrong?

Thid reminds me of the Spanish saying that Bull fighting is fine, and that the Bulls are much respected etc.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Will next years Grand National be sponsored by Pedigree Chum ?

 

[happypig]

I have seen lots races where a horse refuses to start. If they dont want to run they will not run.
I have seen lots of horses refuse to jump an obstacle. if they do not want to jump they will not jump.

I dont understand why you think boxing, a sport in which people train to cause serious damage to another opponent, the whole point to try and knock them unconscious to win, is better than horse racing.
The aim of horse racing is not to cause serious injury.

I didn't say it was better than horse racing, just that the participants know the dangers and can make an informed choice.
FWIW, I have nothing against horse racing per se, just the Grand National and other dangerous races where horses regularly die and in which one or two can be expected to die.

As for saying the horses can refuse to run/jump, I'll give you that, but they are trained to run and jump and being essentially pack animals, they follow their instincts and training. If you were to back up the van and open it, would they really tear round an empty racecourse jumping everything ?

 

[northampton_seagull]

I didn't say it was better than horse racing, just that the participants know the dangers and can make an informed choice.
FWIW, I have nothing against horse racing per se, just the Grand National and other dangerous races where horses regularly die and in which one or two can be expected to die.

As for saying the horses can refuse to run/jump, I'll give you that, but they are trained to run and jump and being essentially pack animals, they follow their instincts and training. If you were to back up the van and open it, would they really tear round an empty racecourse jumping everything ?

Look at Synchronised before the race

 

[SK1NT]

Synchronised looked distrubed before the race and threw AP McCoy off... he probably shouldn't have even started...

I cant understand why the fences are so high and so many of them...

2 horses last year. 2 this year... loads in the past... something has to give... i refuse to bet on it now... thats all i can can do to make my stand against it...

I dont enjoy watching the race if i have had a bet. I find myself watching the fallen horse to make sure that it gets up

 

[Billy Seagull]

Its sad that two horses lost their lives but they have a great life and wouldn't do it if they didn't want to.

The winning trainer talking sense.....

Winning trainerPaul Nicholls has told BBC Radio 5 live that spectators have to be aware of the risks inherent in horse racing:
"When you are in competitive sport, whatever you do, motor racing, hockey there is an element of risk," he said. "The worst thing you can do is to go too far. You make the fences smaller, they go faster and you get more fallers.
"Sport is risk. We have to live with that and get on with it. We have to grow up, basically. A lot of people have to grow up, and realise that it is life, and get on with it."

 

[newhaven seagull 85]

Its sad that two horses lost their lives but they have a great life and wouldn't do it if they didn't want to.

The winning trainer talking sense.....

Winning trainerPaul Nicholls has told BBC Radio 5 live that spectators have to be aware of the risks inherent in horse racing:
"When you are in competitive sport, whatever you do, motor racing, hockey there is an element of risk," he said. "The worst thing you can do is to go too far. You make the fences smaller, they go faster and you get more fallers.
"Sport is risk. We have to live with that and get on with it. We have to grow up, basically. A lot of people have to grow up, and realise that it is life, and get on with it."

talking perfect sense less fatalities in the 80's

 

[hola gus]

Was just discussing the National with my mum when she said "I can remember the last time I saw the jockeys with mud splattered all over their silks". And therein lies the problem people. The ground is too quick and too firm, therefore the horses run faster and fall harder. The size of the fences are not the problem, and if anything because they are tall it actually means the horses slow down on approach.
My solution is feedpipe from the river Mersey to completely soak the course for however long is needed to soften the ground.

 

[clapham_gull]

yes its all vey sad, but it really annoys me when people who know nothing/little about Horses and Racing voice opinions such as these, please do some more research

I've just researched that makes 22 horse deaths in the Grand National since 2000. Failing to see much difference with Bull Fighting personally.

 

[jimhigham]

What more research is there to do ? Two animals have died during a race which sadly claims lives every year. It's time that this particular race (and any others that have such a record) were either made safer or abolished.
I don't believe one has to know all the ins and outs of horse racing to have an opinion (in the same way one didn't need to have a sugar plantation to know slavery was wrong) and, in my opinion, the Grand National is a cruel anachronism.

Quite. Well said. But if anybody believes that a little more research is necessary before they feel able to condemn an event that leads to the death of living beings then take a gander at the following site...

http://www.horsedeathwatch.com/index.php

Deaths are not just an occurrence at The National. There were 39 deaths in the British Isles during 2012 before the race today and over 800 in the last five years. No matter how many livelihoods may be at stake and how many binfesters line up to chastise this, I simply do not see how this can be right.

 

[beorhthelm]

Quite. Well said. But if anybody believes that a little more research is necessary before they feel able to condemn an event that leads to the death of living beings then take a gander at the following site...

http://www.horsedeathwatch.com/index.php

Deaths are not just an occurrence at The National. There were 39 deaths in the British Isles during 2012 before the race today and over 800 in the last five years. No matter how many livelihoods may be at stake and how many binfesters line up to chastise this, I simply do not see how this can be right.

what i want to know is why there is no "dogdeathwatch.com" website to track all the dogs that die as the result of neglect, where i'm afraid the number will be greater than 800 in five years. at least here, the horse are put down to stop suffering, maybe for what would in a domestic pet would be treated and left for them to suffer with for years. just an observation that the high profile nature of this sport seems to draw more attention to the welfare of the animals.

 

[jimhigham]

what i want to know is why there is no "dogdeathwatch.com" website to track all the dogs that die as the result of neglect, where i'm afraid the number will be greater than 800 in five years. at least here, the horse are put down to stop suffering, maybe for what would in a domestic pet would be treated and left for them to suffer with for years. just an observation that the high profile nature of this sport seems to draw more attention to the welfare of the animals.

I would definitely agree with your point but are you suggesting that horse racing remains OK?

And incidentally...

http://greyhound-action.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/greyhound-death-toll-down-again.html

 

[Foster House]

I've been around horses all my life. There is nothing more that a horse loves doing than racing.

I'd much rather be a horse that dies doing something it loves, than an equally intelligent pig that meets a grizzly end at the hands of the long knife.

We are so hypocritical where animals are concerned.

 

[clapham_gull]

I've been around horses all my life. There is nothing more that a horse loves doing than racing.

I'd much rather be a horse that dies doing something it loves, than an equally intelligent pig that meets a grizzly end at the hands of the long knife.

We are so hypocritical where animals are concerned.

No particular problem with horse racing, but the National does seem to be a concern doesn't it ?

Are you saying it's ok for horses to die routinely during the event because people like burgers.

Is there any difference with Bull Fighting ? I struggle to see one. I'd imagine the bulls quite enjoy that too and they lead a fantastic life.

We are very hypocritical in terms of animals, especially when somebody proclaims to love horses but allows them compete in a race like that. At least be honest and admit it's the racing that is loved and not the horse.

 

[northampton_seagull]

No particular problem with horse racing, but the National does seem to be a concern doesn't it ?

Are you saying it's ok for horses to die routinely during the event because people like burgers.

Is there any difference with Bull Fighting ? I struggle to see one. I'd imagine the bulls quite enjoy that too and they lead a fantastic life.

We are very hypocritical in terms of animals, especially when somebody proclaims to love horses but allows them compete in a race like that. At least be honest and admit it's the racing that is loved and not the horse.

The last time i watched horse racing I dont remember seeing the jockey taunt the horse and stick spears into it, continue taunting it, spear it a few more times then eventually kill it. horse racing and bull fighting are completely different things.

I dont remember hearing the Aintree crowd cheer when they heard about the horses deaths

 

[clapham_gull]

The last time i watched horse racing I dont remember seeing the jockey taunt the horse and stick spears into it, continue taunting it, spear it a few more times then eventually kill it. horse racing and bull fighting are completely different things.

I was talking about the National. They both routinely lead to the death of an animal and both animals prior to the game lead a fantastic life. I'm a meat eater and not that concerned about animal rights. I'd just like a little bit more honesty about the event. It is what it is.

 

[broadwaterseagull]

chicago grey died as well tonight of a heart attack in his stable

 

[northampton_seagull]

I was talking about the National. They both routinely lead to the death of an animal and both animals prior to the game lead a fantastic life. I'm a meat eater and not that concerned about animal rights. I'd just like a little bit more honesty about the event. It is what it is.

Everybody associated with horse racing agrees that any death of a horse is one to many, but you can not compare horse racing with a sport in which the whole aim is to kill the animal.

 

[clapham_gull]

The last time i watched horse racing I dont remember seeing the jockey taunt the horse and stick spears into it, continue taunting it, spear it a few more times then eventually kill it. horse racing and bull fighting are completely different things.

I dont remember hearing the Aintree crowd cheer when they heard about the horses deaths

I'd imagine they will all turn up next year though. The routine death of horses at the National (an average 2 per year since 2000?) doesn't appear to make the event less desirable ?

I'm not moralising, I would just like to hear a little bit more honesty. I can only conclude that the death of horses is considered a sad, but unavoidable part of the National. Now someone has posted another has died.

How could anyone come to a different conclusion ?

 

[vegster]

I think that you are viewing The National in isolation. Most of the fences are used across the whole meeting and deaths are not uncommon. It's just that the National is watched by lots of people who are not regular racegoers who see their horse go down on live tv and not get up again and then worry. I'm sure there are plenty of other deaths which never come to public attention.