Sweden’s Coronovirus strategy will soon be the worlds

[Albion Dan]

Good article. I think the countries that have hidden away and shut up shop are in for a whole world of pain far beyond the impact of the virus.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/arti...dens-coronavirus-strategy-will-soon-be-worlds

 

[The Wizard]

Bit premature really, until we know what happens next it’s nye on impossible to say if what Sweden done is the right strategy.

 

[Albion Dan]

Bit premature really, until we know what happens next it’s nye on impossible to say if what Sweden done is the right strategy.

If a vaccine is 6-12 months away or worse then they will almost certainly be in better shape than any other country in the western world. It's very hard to see how the likes of NZ and Australia are going to not end up ravaged long term as you cant hide forever.

 

[Bakero]

I see the authors are all connected to a free market think tank. Not the most neutral of opinions.

 

[Solid at the back]

Their strategy would never have worked here for three key reasons:

- We have a large, dense population and they don't.
- Their young people frequently live alone and ours don't
- Their population can be better trusted to adhere to government advice and ours can't

This. Silly article

 

[RossyG]

Funny how people have switched from “let’s flatten the curve” to “let’s hide until they find a cure”.

Sweden took a sane approach from the get go and proved themselves right despite so many attacks from people in the media that sounded almost as if they wanted them to fail.

But they held firm and indirectly proved that this virus seems to have a trajectory and locking down doesn’t seem to make much difference.

 

[jackanada]

I don't admire their strategy but I do admire the openness of their government. They've been very clear about what they are doing and they gave a straightforward apology for failing to adequately protect care homes.

 

[Barham's tash]

Their strategy would never have worked here for three key reasons:

- We have a large, dense population and they don't.
- Their young people frequently live alone and ours don't
- Their population can be better trusted to adhere to government advice and ours can't

This.

Bet they didn’t have streets full of chavs hiding behind their garages around a bbq and Richmond bangers holding cans of white lightning that got abusive when Saga Noren arrived to nick them.

 

[nicko31]

The Swedes are very disciplined, might say boring but it does seem to be working for them. They don't have much poverty, this does help

 

[Hugo Rune]

It's very hard to see how the likes of NZ and Australia are going to not end up ravaged long term as you cant hide forever.

Utter nonsense.

They understand that an Island can defend herself by not letting the virus in.

14-day quarantine or proof of vaccination or even a proven anti-body test is what you’ll need to get into these countries long term.

Both antipodean Governments have saved countless lives by shutting the cursed virus out whilst in this Country, we bent over undefended and took thousands and thousands of lethal shots of Covid-19, enough to record the second worse death rate in the world.

 

[Saunders]

Their strategy would never have worked here for three key reasons:

- We have a large, dense population and they don't.
- Their young people frequently live alone and ours don't
- Their population can be better trusted to adhere to government advice and ours can't

We know it wont work here we tried it but lasted a half a week. It is the much scoffed at "herd immunity" approach. Thousands went out clubbing and to the beach and we had to be put into lockdown. Each country will have to handle this differently and carefully.

If you took London away from us we wouldnt have been far off of doing it the same though. London screwed it for everyone because such a dense population and we couldnt really only lockdown London.

 

[darkwolf666]

Their strategy would never have worked here for three key reasons:

- We have a large, dense population and they don't.
- Their young people frequently live alone and ours don't
- Their population can be better trusted to adhere to government advice and ours can't

When you say "dense" population, do you mean thick?

 

[BN41Albion]

Their strategy would never have worked here for three key reasons:

- We have a large, dense population and they don't.
- Their young people frequently live alone and ours don't
- Their population can be better trusted to adhere to government advice and ours can't

How do you know their population can be trusted more? We've done well here with the rules in place overall. No protests like elsewhere, no serious trouble like some other places - other than isolated incidents like everywhere will have had.

This first hand account shows it probably wouldnt have been any different here had we gone down a similar route:
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and...people-still-shaking-hands-1.4219143?mode=amp

I know its from early April but this suggests many were pretty blasé about the whole thing, and that was when there was the biggest panic over Covid.

Agree with your first two points though

 

[Weststander]

Bit premature really, until we know what happens next it’s nye on impossible to say if what Sweden done is the right strategy.

This.

Deaths per million:
Sweden 361
Denmark (lockdown) 93
Finland (lockdown) 53
Norway (lockdown) 43

Using the Denmark ratio, if Sweden had locked down, Sweden’s low population would’ve suffered just 939 deaths instead of 3,646.

So far.

By the end of 2020, total excess death stats will give us the first true comparison between nations,

 

[Weststander]

Utter nonsense.

They understand that an Island can defend herself by not letting the virus in.

14-day quarantine or proof of vaccination or even a proven anti-body test is what you’ll need to get into these countries long term.

Both antipodean Governments have saved countless lives by shutting the cursed virus out whilst in this Country, we bent over undefended and took thousands and thousands of lethal shots of Covid-19, enough to record the second worse death rate in the world.

Belgium, Spain and Italy have worse death rates, and that’s excluding countless non-hospital deaths in Italian and Spanish stats according to many of their officials and journalists.

 

[Eeyore]

Their strategy would never have worked here for three key reasons:

- We have a large, dense population and they don't.
- Their young people frequently live alone and ours don't
- Their population can be better trusted to adhere to government advice and ours can't

IN addition to the above, it is easily forgotten, or even not considered, that the impact of the virus is directly proportionate to how many people brought it back into the country in this first place. If 100 Brits brought it back and 10 Swedes also then it would spread at ten times the rate in the UK.

Very simple mathematics, and there are other factors, but someone give me a reasoned argument against.

For example, in the U.S we can tell that most people who brought it back came from New York state. Just a hunch like.

 

[Weststander]

IN addition to the above, it is easily forgotten, or even not considered, that the impact of the virus is directly proportionate to how many people brought it back into the country in this first place. If 100 Brits brought it back and 10 Swedes also then it would spread at ten times the rate in the UK.

Very simple mathematics, and there are other factors, but someone give me a reasoned argument against.

For example, in the U.S we can tell that most people who brought it back came from New York state. Just a hunch like.

A point cited by epidemiologists.

Cities with major airports serving as a hub, which are also global destinations in their own right, were likely to suffer badly - New York, London, Paris and Madrid.

 

[Eeyore]

A point cited by epidemiologists.

Cities with major airports serving as a hub, which are also global destinations in their own right, were likely to suffer badly - New York, London, Paris and Madrid.

I hadn't seen it. That's a relief. I was described as 'thick' recently because I thought the new lockdown directives were confusing. I thought making the point might render me thick too.

 

[The Spanish]

If a vaccine is 6-12 months away or worse then they will almost certainly be in better shape than any other country in the western world. It's very hard to see how the likes of NZ and Australia are going to not end up ravaged long term as you cant hide forever.

be funny if Sweden emerges from this as the new Global superpower.

 

[Eeyore]

A point cited by epidemiologists.

Cities with major airports serving as a hub, which are also global destinations in their own right, were likely to suffer badly - New York, London, Paris and Madrid.

Quite. I know New Zealand managed things well, but Auckland is hardly an international transit centre.