[Football] Sutton United Ladies put their head above the parapet

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

So you’re fine with them using the female toilets and changing rooms are you? Or taking the places of actual women in sport?

Ps - The trans women I know fully agrees with the statement and acknowledges she’s not a normal women and can’t expect to share private spaces with women for what it’s worth.

PPS - People expect to be treated special all the time - I’d like to be treated like a rockstar when out - life isn’t always fair or simple.

Calm down dear.

I never said any such thing, now, did I now?

'Normal' woman. Crikey.

You're letting yourself down, here.

 

[Shaktarman]

Calm down dear.

I never said any such thing, now, did I now?

'Normal' woman. Crikey.

You're letting yourself down, here.

Not at all. Just voicing my opinion of protecting females and my daughters from potential predators - I will never be silenced on that. A normal women means a female so please don’t jump on that one. It’s been around since science and life began.

I didn’t say you said such a thing, I asked you if you agree they should be let into those spaces? As they want to be treated like ‘women’ aka females, would you let them into those spaces?

The reason I asked is you said ‘Sorry, but the few trans women I know (one is an academic) expect to be treated as women, not 'trans women'

 

[Hugo Rune]

Lol…..synopsis…..links…thats a bit disingenuous of you Harry….i dont think i need to send you any info re the LGB Alliance ..its all out there and you know that

LGB Alliance?

The Christian (largely) Lesbian Feminist group that preach dogma such as the theory that thousands of young lesbian women are getting gender reassignment surgery because of brain washing wokism and parental homophobia? The group banned by many Pride events?

F*** me, you don’t get much more transphobic or batshit than them.

 

[carlzeiss]

If you take lesbians out of LBGTQ+ then what are you left with ?

Lesbian group told to leave Pride march after clash with trans rights activists

Police told a lesbian campaign group to leave a gay Pride march after members clashed with transgender rights activists. Members of GetTheLOutUK had joined the

www.thetimes.com

 

[WATFORD zero]

Well @Lenny Rider ? You still haven't given your view or any opinion on this, despite kicking this thread off and checking it regularly throughout the day (including at the moment )

Gents (and Ladies) reading some of the responses are we not allowed to have a debate now? (How long before Sir Keir shuts down NSC, after he’s banned fags in beer gardens? )


It came up on my feed this morning, and many on here know boxing is also another sport I love and what went on in Paris was not only farcical but relevant to this subject.

Aside from their brief dalliance with the EFL, Sutton United are one of the most respected non league football clubs in the country, so for this issue to arrive at their door, it clearly will have people talking about (if we’re allowed to )

So what was it you wanted to discuss and debate about this ? Or are you still worried you won't 'be allowed to' because judging from the previous 160 posts it would appear we definitely are, so fill yer boots

 

[Shaktarman]

If you take lesbians out of LBGTQ+ then what ares you left with ?

Lesbian group told to leave Pride march after clash with trans rights activists

Police told a lesbian campaign group to leave a gay Pride march after members clashed with transgender rights activists. Members of GetTheLOutUK had joined the

www.thetimes.com

I love Douglas Murray who makes sure just because he’s a gay man he’s not part of any LGBT group and they don’t speak for him. You should also not group them all together whatsoever.

 

[m20gull]

Strangely the main story here has been overlooked. Namely that, if the reported story is correct, some female members of the team said "no". And weren't afraid of the consequences.

 

[Shaktarman]

Strangely the main story here has been overlooked. Namely that, if the reported story is correct, some female members of the team said "no". And weren't afraid of the consequences.

Good on them - and even then you have people on here trying to go against what the majority of the team think ffs! Should we have a liberal of the year award on here for the biggest virtue signaller who doesn’t understand the co sequences of their views I wonder?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Not at all. Just voicing my opinion of protecting females and my daughters from potential predators - I will never be silenced on that. A normal women means a female so please don’t jump on that one. It’s been around since science and life began.

I didn’t say you said such a thing, I asked you if you agree they should be let into those spaces? As they want to be treated like ‘women’ aka females, would you let them into those spaces?

The reason I asked is you said ‘Sorry, but the few trans women I know (one is an academic) expect to be treated as women, not 'trans women'

I have made myself clear about sport. As I and others have explained, a trans woman should not be able to compete against biological women (note, not 'normal' women - doh! My missus would give you a dry slap if you called her 'normal') if they have a biological advantage.

Determining whether they have an advantage is not necessarily straightforward but, by and large it probably is straightforward. One could easily use normative statistics on body shape, reach, muscle mass etc., to determine if a trans woman is comfortably within two standard deviations of the mean, or not. Other definitions of 'normative' are available..

I haven't engaged with any discussion about keeping your daughters safe from potential predators. I did note that I did not think the discussion here was about big hairy blokes in drag wanting to shower with teenage girls.

But I'm happy to engage with that if you want.

No, no, I am very much against big hairy blokes in drag showering with teenage girls. I would go as far as to say that a biological male who wishes to transition, but has not yet changed their anatomical status via surgery should not be sharing a changing room with teenage girls. No, sir. They should not.

And I would be astonished if they are, or that there is a lobby with traction (read my previous comments about a lobby with traction) agitating for this to come to pass.

A trans woman who has undergone surgery and hormone treatment would be a different proposition. My guess is that a bloke who wants to perve over teenage girls won't get his bollocks chopped off and grow a pair of tits to facilitate his cunning plan.

I could be wrong about this, but my guess is you don't need to worry about the safety of your daughters in this regard.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Good on them - and even then you have people on here trying to go against what the majority of the team think ffs! Should we have a liberal of the year award on here for the biggest virtue signaller who doesn’t understand the co sequences of their views I wonder?

We aren't.

You are just making up shit, now

 

[Shaktarman]

I have made myself clear about sport. As I and others have explained, a trans woman should not be able to compete against biological women (note, not 'normal' women - doh! My missus would give you a dry slap if you called her 'normal') if they have a biological advantage.

Determining whether they have an advantage is not necessarily straightforward but, by and large it probably is straightforward. One could easily use normative statistics on body shape, reach, muscle mass etc., to determine if a trans woman is comfortably within two standard deviations of the mean, or not. Other definitions of 'normative' are available..

I haven't engaged with any discussion about keeping your daughters safe from potential predators. I did note that I did not think the discussion here was about big hairy blokes in drag wanting to shower with teenage girls.

But I'm happy to engage with that if you want.

No, no, I am very much against big hairy blokes in drag showering with teenage girls. I would go as far as to say that a biological male who wishes to transition, but has not yet changed their anatomical status via surgery should not be sharing a changing room with teenage girls. No, sir. They should not.

And I would be astonished if they are, or that there is a lobby with traction (read my previous comments about a lobby with traction) agitating for this to come to pass.

A trans woman who has undergone surgery and hormone treatment would be a different proposition. My guess is that a bloke who wants to perve over teenage girls won't get his bollocks chopped off and grow a pair of tits to facilitate his cunning plan.

I could be wrong about this, but my guess is you don't need to worry about the safety of your daughters in this regard.

Well we pretty much agree then. The transition is key part.

 

[Shaktarman]

We aren't.

You are just making up shit, now

I didn’t name you - there were some odd posts earlier in the thread. One even used the term ‘cis’

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I didn’t name you - there were some odd posts earlier in the thread. One even used the term ‘cis’

What's odd about cis? If you are discussing trans compared with not trans then cis is preferable to . . . . . 'normal'

Likewise, on the very rare occasions when I may want to make a distinction between my sexuality and that of a gay man, I may refer to myself as straight. Context. Otherwise I'd never mention it.

I understand your fear of big hairy blokes in drag in your daughters' changing rooms, but there is no need to become agitated by an adjective.

 

[Shaktarman]

What's odd about cis? If you are discussing trans compared with not trans then cis is preferable to . . . . . 'normal'

Likewise, on the very rare occasions when I may want to make a distinction between my sexuality and that of a gay man, I may refer to myself as straight. Context. Otherwise I'd never mention it.

I understand your fear of big hairy blokes in drag in your daughters' changing rooms, but there is no need to become agitated by an adjective.

Cis is not a word. I am male. Not cis anything. A man, a male, a normal bloke. It’s amazing how these people go on and on about their rights to be called whatever, yet insist on renaming men and women whether people like it or not - pure hypocrisy. There are men, women, trans women and trans men. Those are the terms as we are not reforming the whole English language just to appease a small group who are so offended by anything. That is where the line is for me and luckily a lot of other normal people - most just don’t bother speaking up on it.

We will lose society as we know it if we bow to these woke morons. Bowing out now from this thread

 

[m20gull]

What's odd about cis? If you are discussing trans compared with not trans then cis is preferable to . . . . . 'normal'

Likewise, on the very rare occasions when I may want to make a distinction between my sexuality and that of a gay man, I may refer to myself as straight. Context. Otherwise I'd never mention it.

I understand your fear of big hairy blokes in drag in your daughters' changing rooms, but there is no need to become agitated by an adjective.

Cis is not a neutral word. Using it to qualify man or woman necessarily implies that trans women are women, which is not accepted by everyone.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Cis is not a word. I am male. Not cis anything. A man, a male, a normal bloke. It’s amazing how these people go on and on about their rights to be called whatever, yet insist on renaming men and women whether people like it or not - pure hypocrisy. There are men, women, trans women and trans men. Those are the terms as we are not reforming the whole English language just to appease a small group who are so offended by anything. That is where the line is for me and luckily a lot of other normal people - most just don’t bother speaking up on it.

We will lose society as we know it if we bow to these woke morons. Bowing out now from this thread

I think you have an imaginary bee in your bonnet. Never mind. All the best

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Cis is not a neutral word. Using it to qualify man or woman necessarily implies that trans women are women, which is not accepted by everyone.

No it doesn't.

The exact opposite in fact. Trans women are trans women. Women are women.

When comparing trans women with cis women it adds clarity to use 'cis'. Under no other circumstances would I use the term.

That a term is needed is obvious from the clumsy posts above that refer to trans women and 'normal' women.

With all that in mind, cis is a perfectly neutral word.

 

[m20gull]

No it doesn't.

The exact opposite in fact. Trans women are trans women. Women are women.

When comparing trans women with cis women it adds clarity to use 'cis'. Under no other circumstances would I use the term.

That a term is needed is obvious from the clumsy posts above that refer to trans women and 'normal' women.

With all that in mind, cis is a perfectly neutral word.

Not everyone sees it like that.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Not everyone sees it like that.

I don't doubt it.

To paraphrase something my dad once said, for some 'its against the laws of human nature'.

 

[herecomesaregular]

I do wonder if this footballer and the Olympic boxers, in their own heads, accept they have an advantage. And are maybe just a bit yeah, f*** it, I'm using this to get ahead in my life. Or whether they deny (to themselves) any advantage at all.

Generally, I'm live and let live, choose who you want to be if you're causing no harm to others etc etc but I'm not comfortable with women genuinely feeling frightened to compete against their opposition.