[News] "Support Gay Marriage" Cake Row

[Triggaaar]

If someone, whoever, in this whole process, could have just sat down and worked out all the expense and thought is it really worth all this - could it have been avoided?

That depends on whether the person ordering the cake wanted to make a point or not. They could have kept going back to the shop and asking for increasingly awkward slogans for the shop to make.

'Christians who don't support gay marriage will go to hell'
etc

Not aimed at you Knocky:

What if the bakers were gay, and some god bothering tw@ asked for a slogan saying 'Marriage is a bond between man and woman'?
And if the baker was fine with that, pushing it further until they weren't?

What if the baker was a Muslim, and the customer wanted a cake mocking Islam?

Obviously there are situations when the company should be able to say no.

 

[Triggaaar]

If I baked cakes and someone came into my shop and asked for a CPFC logo cake, you all know my answer, would I end up in court ?

Yes, if they found out you'd pissed in their cake.

 

[Jim D]

What if the baker was a Muslim, and the customer wanted a cake mocking Islam?.

I expect they would bake it, but I wouldn't want to be the one lighting the candles.

 

[McTavish]

Who could force him? I've never seen a baker in a headlock in the back of his shop, hand piping a message on a cake shouting "nooooo.. this is against my wishes!" ...

Nobody would ever make it illegal to refuse to do something you don't want to do when it comes to business. If it was made law that you HAVE to do as the customer demands, then what about a man walking into a Jewish bakery demanding they make him a bacon and cheese turnover?

As I said before, and will say again, this is bullshit with sparklers on top.

That is exactly what was happening. If the baker had dropped it, he would have been considered guilty of homophobic discrimination and a precedent would have been set that it was illegal to refuse to do certain work for certain people.

It wouldn't apply to your scenario because the Jewish bakery would not usually use bacon whereas the NI baker did make cakes with messages on.

A more pertinent example might be if a Muslim had gone in to a Jewish baker and asked for a cake saying something like "Israel is a Racist State". Would a refusal have been discriminatory according to the law? The latest judgement says that it wouldn't be but if the NI judgement had gone the other way then there would be a precedent suggesting it might be.

 

[McTavish]

I know. Sorry not to be clear. I don't think this was discrimination- but would have been had they refused to make a same sex wedding cake.

I'm not sure that that is the case. If the cake had, for example, two men as grooms on the top, could the baker legitimately refuse to make it on the grounds that this went against his beliefs and he would refuse whatever the sexuality of the person ordering the cake?

 

[alfredmizen]

I have a feeling this isn't going to raise much discussion on here. You've managed to unite NSC!

correct !

 

[rippleman]

Another example of the extremist religious bigotry that still exists in one part of the UK. Religious fundamentalists are a serious and significant danger to our culture and freedoms....regardless of what religion they follow.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Another example of the extremist religious bigotry that still exists in one part of the UK. Religious fundamentalists are a serious and significant danger to our culture and freedoms....regardless of what religion they follow.

Freedom of Religion and Belief.
https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/l...your-right-to-freedom-of-religion-and-belief/

 

[Mellotron]

Another example of the extremist religious bigotry that still exists in one part of the UK. Religious fundamentalists are a serious and significant danger to our culture and freedoms....regardless of what religion they follow.

...eh? Ironic that you bring up freedom given what's happening in this case, in terms of the baker's freedoms.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Bake Off has really gone up a notch this year.

 

[T.G]

Is this Jim Davison?

I expect that it will now go to the ECJ and give them another chance to show the Supreme Court who's in charge.

 

[Jim D]

Is this Jim Davison?

No, why?

 

[Questions]

No, why?

Are you overseas entertaining our troops at the moment Jim ? Shame we’ll miss you on Saturday at the Rebels.

 

[LlcoolJ]

That is what happened. The local courts in Northern Ireland ruled against the bakery, saying they had to make the cake.

So you could get Nike to print a shirt saying 'We used children under 10 in sweatshops to make this shirt, so we could maximise our profits. Child slavery for the win!'

I'm in agreement with your point but that would actually be a good thing and very amusing.

 

[LlcoolJ]

No, why?

Apologies for not voting for you on Celebrity Big Brother. I didn't because I thought you were a wanker. No hard feelings.

 

[daveinplzen]

I'm pretty much in the don't care category. I'm sure some other baker would have supplied
Although not sure about NI where strong religious conoctations will play a part. A case of fantasy in religious belief, against the world we live in

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Gay ACTAVIST , say no more
regards
DR

 

[Questions]

Gay ACTAVIST , say no more
regards
DR

Would you have gone in that bakers PPF and asked for a chocolate finger ?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Would you have gone in that bakers PPF and asked for a chocolate finger ?

PREFER A FUDGE BROWNIE
regards
DR

 

[Taybha]

Yeah....




But seriously, what sort of cake?

I don't know , that's why i asked , i like Fruit Cake i suppose , but i wasn't asked so they probably went with a light fluffy sponge with bog standard jam and fake cream .