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It's all about opinions. Mine is that the half time show was dog shit and rap, generally, is a load of old crap.
North of Robertsbridge
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I loved watching the Raiders at the Coliseum, the tailgating was something else and there were actual fights in the beer queues, quite unlike most sports in the Bay Area - made me feel quite at home
I can‘t get as enthused now they have moved away
AstroSloth
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- Dec 29, 2020
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You can't change bad taste tbf.
Even if you don't like the music, you can acknowledge the storytelling, wordplay, performance and overall cultural message of the performance.
To be honest, although there’s clearly lots of people who like it, I simply don’t get it….
Good for you though Astro, you clearly enjoy it.
AstroSloth
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To add some things that are missed in the performance:
- Samuel L Jackson playing Uncle Sam (aka the house ni**ga) like he played in Django.
- Opening with "you chose the right time but the wrong guy" to talk about recent voting.
- Samuel L Jackson warning Kendrick to play the game white America wants us to play and not be “ghetto”
- The Squid games stage which symbolizes the rich killing the poor.
- The dancers in Red White & Blue representing the American flag which was on either side of Kendrick to symbolise the country being divided.
- The stage also being a prison yard where his black performers harmonized while he rapped.
- Protecting black women like Serena Williams and SZA after the disrespect from Drake
- And once again reminding Drake and America “They Not Like Us"
- Ending the show saying "Turn your TV off" also a powerful statement
Don’t forget Serena Williams’ crip walk!
AstroSloth
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Two of Drake's exes on stage as he dated SZA too!
So you won’t being buying a mike, a ghetto-blaster and a huge gold chain when you get bored of that guitar then?
Didn’t care for the half-time performance, but from personal taste I haven’t ‘loved’ one since the late Noughties.
I watch the SB each year for the entertainment of the ball game, not for the musician, often think the HT show overshadows the actual game too much.
As for this years, I think too much emphasis was placed on a ‘feud’ I didn’t know existed until yesterday. Maybe I’m just getting old
Appreciate if you’re into Kendrick and know the backstory and the meaning of the lyrics that it must’ve been great. But just not my vibe unfortunately.
I watch the SB each year for the entertainment of the ball game, not for the musician, often think the HT show overshadows the actual game too much.
As for this years, I think too much emphasis was placed on a ‘feud’ I didn’t know existed until yesterday. Maybe I’m just getting old
Appreciate if you’re into Kendrick and know the backstory and the meaning of the lyrics that it must’ve been great. But just not my vibe unfortunately.
- Oct 17, 2008
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The most interesting thing about all this for me isn’t the game (I can’t stand American Football), but the half time “controversy”.
I say controversy, I mean a bunch of right wing MAGA hypocrites on social media being very upset by the all black cast of the half time show.
Which never would’ve happened without the DEI initiatives being repealed. It was obviously a statement.
Now what will throw a spanner into the popular opinion I just gave above is I am against DEI initiatives in the first place. They go against every fibre of my being as a meritocratic person.
I say controversy, I mean a bunch of right wing MAGA hypocrites on social media being very upset by the all black cast of the half time show.
Which never would’ve happened without the DEI initiatives being repealed. It was obviously a statement.
Now what will throw a spanner into the popular opinion I just gave above is I am against DEI initiatives in the first place. They go against every fibre of my being as a meritocratic person.
Just as well Kendrick Lamar was there on merit then. Record sales aside, it was only a week ago he scooped up 5 Grammys. He’s a genuine talent.
- Oct 17, 2008
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Oh, I didn’t really mean him, I mean the entire dance cast hired for the event being all black. By all accounts the performance was superb - if you like that kind of thing. If DEI was in place, the cast would’ve had to have been more diverse with white and Asian performers.
The fact they were all black was part of the story and the message he was wanting to get across.
- Oct 17, 2008
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You are being wilfully obtuse. Regardless of his wants, under DEI guidelines it would’ve been a requirement to have multi-cultural representation. Trust me, I know a lot more about Actor’s Equity and the impact it has had on performers unions than you. It’s quite literally a part of my job.
I know you want to argue the toss about this, but everything I’ve said is 100% factually correct, whether you like it or not
Agree.Didn’t care for the half-time performance, but from personal taste I haven’t ‘loved’ one since the late Noughties.
I watch the SB each year for the entertainment of the ball game, not for the musician, often think the HT show overshadows the actual game too much.
As for this years, I think too much emphasis was placed on a ‘feud’ I didn’t know existed until yesterday. Maybe I’m just getting old
Appreciate if you’re into Kendrick and know the backstory and the meaning of the lyrics that it must’ve been great. But just not my vibe unfortunately.
Gone backwards at a rate of knots for me since Apple got involved.
I find the half-time show an inconvenience.
First of all, you’re being rather confrontational and dismissive. Discussion, yes, argument no. I am not being obtuse. I would also like to add I’m not a Lamar fan, just someone who is aware if who he is and what he does.You are being wilfully obtuse. Regardless of his wants, under DEI guidelines it would’ve been a requirement to have multi-cultural representation. Trust me, I know a lot more about Actor’s Equity and the impact it has had on performers unions than you. It’s quite literally a part of my job.
I know you want to argue the toss about this, but everything I’ve said is 100% factually correct, whether you like it or not
I do find it hard to believe that under DEI, for example, a black period piece would have a “requirement” to have a quota of white and asian people playing black people? DEI also covers disability, wheelchair users in a historical slave film then?
My point is that DEI, whenever I have come scores it in my sector, is about opportunity and not quotas. You say you know more about this than me, I do not doubt this, and I’m willing to listen, how does DEI enforce a “requirement” on specific theatrical pieces which are deeply rooted in one race or gender…which the half time bowl performance was.
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Sorry, got all that, just really not my thing
- Oct 17, 2008
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DEI was advanced as a means of introducing balance to offer opportunities to people (from now on I’m going to refer specifically to performers, because that’s my area of expertise) from backgrounds different to the majority. So, for instance, if the majority population of a country/city/town/fanbase is white, straight and able-bodied, but has a percentage of black/Asian/disabled/trans people, the idea is that those people get to see people like them represented on stage/screen.
The reality is that a body, organisation or production chooses to adhere to DEI principles of their own definition. Another reality is that Britain has followed in America’s footsteps in many groups (both American owned and British) opting to follow DEI principles.
So if for example, an organisation like Thee Black Swan Theatre Group, who present work by black artists for primarily audiences wish to, they can simply make their DEI policy about exclusively black representation. And they do. Which completely defeats the entire point of DEI and makes it considerably more racially unbalanced than open casting/hiring.
If a production company has a strong belief in hiring disabled performers, for instance, they can over-represent disabled performers in line with their own intended values or mission statement.
DEI can be, in and of itself, advancement of whatever the vested interest of the production company desires. Naturally, this does not apply to the majority - which in this country and America are white able-bodied heterosexuals.
Some shows, like Hamilton on Broadway, are heavily stylised with real life people being cast what we call in the business “colourblind”. Characters are specified by race in the casting calls; King George is always white. Alexander Hamilton and the majority are always black. Despite this, there are very strict “both ways” ratios that the Actors’ Equity Association have negotiated with Broadway theatres, which specifically prevent all white, all black or all Asian casts.
An enormous number of shows, films and other media now use “colourblind casting” as the ethos when it comes to the advancement of minorities, be they trans, disabled or of a non-white race, regardless of suitability for the part. This is because audiences are expected to accept changes as being in line with modern societal representation.
But when casting and hiring for balance, fairness and representation, DEI has done an enormous amount of harm in many cases.
For example, Disney have had to delay their finished remake of Snow White, following poor press after the Seven Dwarves were axed from the movie (that is to say, the decision not to hire actors with Dwarfism - people who are very pissed off with this rare chance to make Disney money in a huge feature film). And of course there’s Snow White herself, being played by a dark skinned Latina performer.
In fact, at Diana: The Musical, Princess Diana herself was played by a black British actress, in order to fulfil DEI targets set by that production company. It’s worth noting actually that the number of black performers in traditionally white roles is through the roof. Including those of real people, living or dead. Quite rightly, a white actress would never even be seen for audition to play the lead in the Tina Turner musical, though. Colourblind casting would be very inappropriate.
As for Kendrick Lamar’s show, it was produced by Roc Nation, which is Jay-Z’s company and they have produced it since 2019. He chairs the selection committee. If his company chooses to implement DEI casting in line with what they deem fair DEI representation, they can absolutely do that.
But it wouldn’t be DEI, would it? It would be advancement.
When the story of the founding fathers of their nation can be ascribed to be permanently cast by POC’s because it’s representative, but then at the biggest sporting event of the year for the country, you can wave off an all black cast because it’s “telling a black story”, then it’s not inclusive. It’s hypocrisy.
- Sep 3, 2010
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I watched it on YouTube last night. He's no Vanilla ice is he?
The one the other year with Mr Dog, 30p and Dr Dr was much better.
The one the other year with Mr Dog, 30p and Dr Dr was much better.
Yep, I really enjoyed that one, even if I'm not into rap. One of the best IMHO.