Standing in seated areas

[Uncle Buck]

God you're miserable....

Thanks.

Sorry if in your happy, smiley world I come over as miserable, but I do find the campaign to bring back standing a pointless one. The Government have made it clear they are not going to go back on the Taylor Report, clubs will not want it due to revenue issues and also it does present issues when clubs are playing in Europe (I know the Germans have got round it, but it would mean major redesign issues).

I think there are more worthwhile campaigns, such as Supporters Trusts and making sure that bad owners are kept out of football.

Anyway back to your cheap NSC insults, I guess without the plastic one here, somebody has to fill in...

 

[Brighton till i die]

I think there are more worthwhile campaigns,

whilst i agree to a point - i feel the ban on terraces has driven a lot of the die hard fans away and made the sport more of a "family event" - now this is great but surely they need to cater for the old school folk in at least 1 stand of the ground?

i think its a very good campaign , i'm just gutted that i dont think it will work

 

[Uncle Buck]

whilst i agree to a point - i feel the ban on terraces has driven a lot of the die hard fans away and made the sport more of a "family event" - now this is great but surely they need to cater for the old school folk in at least 1 stand of the ground?

i think its a very good campaign , i'm just gutted that i dont think it will work

Has it driven away die hard fans? Some hoolies have gone, either grown up, families, doing bird.

But since the introduction of the all seater grounds crowds have gone up, money has flowed into the game and the quality at certain levels has improved. Now I know there were more major factors for this, such as Italia 90 and Murdoch seeing football as a marketable product, but also the modern stadia have contributed.

In an ideal world I would like the choice to stand, as much as anything next time Lammy calls me miserable, I can do him over during a goal surge.

 

[Lammy]

Thanks.

Sorry if in your happy, smiley world I come over as miserable, but I do find the campaign to bring back standing a pointless one. The Government have made it clear they are not going to go back on the Taylor Report, clubs will not want it due to revenue issues and also it does present issues when clubs are playing in Europe (I know the Germans have got round it, but it would mean major redesign issues).

I think there are more worthwhile campaigns, such as Supporters Trusts and making sure that bad owners are kept out of football.

Anyway back to your cheap NSC insults, I guess without the plastic one here, somebody has to fill in...

just an observation...

 

[bhaexpress]

I agree with Uncle Buck for a change.

 

[Lammy]

Has it driven away die hard fans? Some hoolies have gone, either grown up, families, doing bird.

But since the introduction of the all seater grounds crowds have gone up, money has flowed into the game and the quality at certain levels has improved. Now I know there were more major factors for this, such as Italia 90 and Murdoch seeing football as a marketable product, but also the modern stadia have contributed.

In an ideal world I would like the choice to stand, as much as anything next time Lammy calls me miserable, I can do him over during a goal surge.

That, basically is a load of rubbish.

Gates are lower now than in the 30s-70s. They went down after that probably due to the hoolie element. Good revenue is generated by corporate boxes etc but not so much by the seating. The reason there is money in the game and we are viewing 'better quality' is purely down to BSkyB money and also a natural progression in the game. i.e. better diet and fitness, lighter ball, fancy boots, clamp down on chopper tackles, no pass backs etc.

If Sky had invested like it did but terracing was still allowed then we would be watching the same quality football albeit with a much better atmosphere, larger crowd and cheaper entrance.

 

[Uncle Buck]

That, basically is a load of rubbish.

Gates are lower now than in the 30s-70s. They went down after that probably due to the hoolie element. Good revenue is generated by corporate boxes etc but not so much by the seating. The reason there is money in the game and we are viewing 'better quality' is purely down to BSkyB money and also a natural progression in the game. i.e. better diet and fitness, lighter ball, fancy boots, clamp down on chopper tackles, no pass backs etc.

If Sky had invested like it did but terracing was still allowed then we would be watching the same quality football albeit with a much better atmosphere, larger crowd and cheaper entrance.

The big factor was the Sky money, but the improved facilities made it a more appealing product to sponsors etc.

If terraces made a comeback the capacities would very limited on safety grounds, so to make a huge difference to overall capacities they would have to be huge like they are in Germany.

If you do not think the improved facilities did not make a difference to the overall product then you are misguided, but hang on, you are the sage, so you must be right and everything else said is rubbish.

 

[Lammy]

The big factor was the Sky money, but the improved facilities made it a more appealing product to sponsors etc.

If terraces made a comeback the capacities would very limited on safety grounds, so to make a huge difference to overall capacities they would have to be huge like they are in Germany.

If you do not think the improved facilities did not make a difference to the overall product then you are misguided, but hang on, you are the sage, so you must be right and everything else said is rubbish.

You're making the mistake of thinking that improved stadia = seats. This is nonscence.

Would Old Trafford or indeed the new Wembley be less attractive arena to sponser if they had terraces? No that is crap. The corporate schmoozing is what counts. The quality of the prawn sandwiches etc.

It was the Sky money that enabled clubs to improve their stadia too. It was the government that told them how to do it. It is in the clubs interest to get as many people in the ground as possible and it is the money they spend of programs, beer, pies and merchandise where the real money is made.

 

[Uncle Buck]

You're making the mistake of thinking that improved stadia = seats. This is nonscence.

Would Old Trafford or indeed the new Wembley be less attractive arena to sponser if they had terraces? No that is crap. The corporate schmoozing is what counts. The quality of the prawn sandwiches etc.

It was the Sky money that enabled clubs to improve their stadia too. It was the government that told them how to do it. It is in the clubs interest to get as many people in the ground as possible and it is the money they spend of programs, beer, pies and merchandise where the real money is made.

The seats improved the stadia for the market that clubs were looking to attract. The increased costs meant that they were going to want families, middle class etc.

To be honest you are filling in very well for Mr Smith by your responses, that you are correct and everyone else is wrong, so carry on.

 

[Lammy]

The seats improved the stadia for the market that clubs were looking to attract. The increased costs meant that they were going to want families, middle class etc.

To be honest you are filling in very well for Mr Smith by your responses, that you are correct and everyone else is wrong, so carry on.

I'm not suggesting that the whole stadium should be terraced. But sections behind the goal should be.

The part where I disagree with you is that you believe the clubs don't want terracing. I think if they were allowed today you would see every prem club start to rip out seats. This would not affect their families, the sponsership etc. But it would please a LOT of their fans and future fans.

Who is Mr Smith btw?

 

[Uncle Buck]

I'm not suggesting that the whole stadium should be terraced. But sections behind the goal should be.

The part where I disagree with you is that you believe the clubs don't want terracing. I think if they were allowed today you would see every prem club start to rip out seats. This would not affect their families, the sponsership etc. But it would please a LOT of their fans and future fans.

Who is Mr Smith btw?

I think the top clubs would be against it. It would be too much hassle for European games.

 

[fatboy]

If we are playing Colchester next season, I am pretty sure you will have to sit down.

They had a terrace for the pre season friendly.

 

[Uncle Buck]

They had a terrace for the pre season friendly.

They are due into their new ground, but I think it is not until the 2007/08 season.

 

[Kukev31]

At the risk of sounding a bore, staying standing for the whole game in a seated area DOES bring an element of risk, specially when kids are involved. If everyone stays standing, it means the only way my 10 year old can actually see the game is by standing on his seat, with me holding on to him (which is what has had to happen on occasions when sections of the South Stand have stood up and stayed up for a period of time). Not ideal.

I just yearn for those terraces. I'm going to a Brentford match next month - dunno who they're playing, but just the novelty and joy of standing behind the goal is something I'm really looking forward to.

If the FA allowed standing in a seated area, then kids would be able to go in a section where people wanted to sit, so risk would be reduced.

 

[jonogulls]

Re: Re: Standing in seated areas

But what could have happened if Newcastle scored twice in the last few minutes? Those 6,500 Geordies would have gone mad and that's when injuries are most likely to happen aren't they? Don't get me wrong I hate sitting at football but can understand the safety issue as i've had more than a few cuts, grazes, bruises from madly celebrating goals. I'm a big bloke I can take it, but I can easily see a little kid getting squashed underneath a pile of bodies.

Ridiculous argument.

So what you're saying is that, if fans are sitting down, then no one jumps up and STANDS when we score

 

[mcshane in the 79th]

Re: Re: Re: Standing in seated areas

Ridiculous argument.

So what you're saying is that, if fans are sitting down, then no one jumps up and STANDS when we score

No, but it's a lot easier to bundle your way nearer the front when you are on terracing as opposed to trying to make it over loads of rows of seats isn't it?

 

[Brighton till i die]

i think its a lot more dangerous to be seated and "jump" up out of your seat when you score rather than already being stood up and simply going f***ing MENTAL!!

 

[Spiros]

Not sure what difference it would make.

People have got use to sitting and I doubt clubs want standing back. More money to be made through selling seats than there is for standing tickets.

Part of the problem is that a lot us HAVEN'T got used to sitting to watch a game. We are all being denied a choice. Those that want to stand aren't allowed to while those that want (or have) to sit can't see because of the standers in the seats.

I don't see how more money is made when it's all-seater. You can get more people into an area of terrace than the same area of seats and it needs less maintenance. Although you charge them less, more will come because it's more affordable (and probably because it has more atmosphere too).

What's wrong with bringing back small areas of terrace?

 

[sully]

i think its a lot more dangerous to be seated and "jump" up out of your seat when you score rather than already being stood up and simply going f***ing MENTAL!!

Totally agree with that.

A couple of years ago up at Cheaterfield, when Iwelumo scored his debut goal, I wasn't at all sure I was going to land in the same row I'd jumped from!

 

[sully]

Areas should be available for those who want to stand. It would then make it easier for those who have small children or old folk who can't stand for 2 hours to locate themselves where they won't be inconvenienced.

It is ridiculous that the government won't consider bringing back terracing when EVERY all seater stadium has a problem with people WANTING to stand to watch the game.

It may have to be brought back bit by bit in order to ensure the demand is there, but I have little doubt that the number wishing to stand is sizeable, as it always was in the past.

Just because people have had to put up with all seater stadia for a long time now doesn't mean it feels right.

I'm certain that even those who have never known terracing would find the experience gratifying.