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[Chicken Runner61]

I Know its a worldwide issue but lab/lib/cons support that system. I support the right of all peoples all over the world who resist this evil system

Its not really a system though is it? Its more a general movement of mankind to a new era. Both left and right wing political movements seem to think it must happen - you need to stop taking it personally.


BTW I am not for globalisation either it sounds very much like Orwellian 1984 but this discussion is well out of BNP policies now.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

Nick Griffin would understand what my beliefs are. He used to be in the International Third Position. There is some of their ideology in their policies. The ITP were a bit too Catholic for my tastes

Yes you do seem to have a mix of politics from Stalin to (dare I say) Hitler

The ITP are /were racist blaming Jews and blacks for all the worlds problems

 

[coventrygull]

Its not really a system though is it? Its more a general movement of mankind to a new era. Both left and right wing political movements seem to think it must happen - you need to stop taking it personally.


BTW I am not for globalisation either it sounds very much like Orwellian 1984 but this discussion is well out of BNP policies now.

I have to disagree. Globalisation is the final push of the capitalist system. Thankfully its going titis up. I think what we may be witnessing is very similar to the fall of communism.

The BNP is just one example of groups that are resisting worldwide.

 

[coventrygull]

Yes you do seem to have a mix of politics from Stalin to (dare I say) Hitler

The ITP are /were racist blaming Jews and blacks for all the worlds problems

Not Hitler but I have some sympathy for strasserism. I am against totalitarian systems. The ITP were very anti semitic part of their traditional catholic world view. They did not blame blacks for the worlds problems at all. They were anti capitalist.

I prefered the National Revolutionary Faction of Palace fan Troy Southgate but he went down the road of National anarchism

 

[bathseagull]

Remember the red squirrel...

A DISTURBING SIGN OF THE TIMES

 

[Chicken Runner61]

Not Hitler but I have some sympathy for strasserism. I am against totalitarian systems. The ITP were very anti semitic part of their traditional catholic world view. They did not blame blacks for the worlds problems at all. They were anti capitalist.

I prefered the National Revolutionary Faction of Palace fan Troy Southgate but he went down the road of National anarchism

Depends on what you read and what you want to believe - You have obviously had experiences that have made you think what you think ( we all have) and you certainly have researched your stuff, read a lot and come to the conclusions you have and as someone said at least you back up your case.

I don't agree with you but I respect your honesty.

 

[El Presidente]

It's just something that I've been brought up to believe. Having something drilled into you (if you excuse the pun) since you were old enough to listen does tend to have that effect on you.

That said, I do have a mind of my own and just think that it is wrong.

Whilst I can understand that you think it is wrong for you, why do you think it is 'wrong' for others?

 

[coventrygull]

Depends on what you read and what you want to believe - You have obviously had experiences that have made you think what you think ( we all have) and you certainly have researched your stuff, read a lot and come to the conclusions you have and as someone said at least you back up your case.

I don't agree with you but I respect your honesty.

As a former member of the ITP I would know what they did and did not believe. Yes I agree they were very anti semitic but as I said they did not blame blacks for the worlds problems. Their logic was that Jews were linked to the twin evils of capitalism and communism. They saw balcks as much victims of the system as whites.

In my time I have obviously come across individuals and organisations that were very racist. I have no time for crude racism

 

[coventrygull]

Whilst I can understand that you think it is wrong for you, why do you think it is 'wrong' for others?

To me a shags a shag as long as its legal

 

[Gully]

It's just something that I've been brought up to believe. Having something drilled into you (if you excuse the pun) since you were old enough to listen does tend to have that effect on you.

That said, I do have a mind of my own and just think that it is wrong.

Pardon me in advance if I am wide of the mark, but you sound like the sort of person who would disown their own child if they found out that they were gay, or at the very least try to beat it out of them.

 

[Chicken Runner61]

As a former member of the ITP I would know what they did and did not believe. Yes I agree they were very anti semitic but as I said they did not blame blacks for the worlds problems. Their logic was that Jews were linked to the twin evils of capitalism and communism. They saw balcks as much victims of the system as whites.

In my time I have obviously come across individuals and organisations that were very racist. I have no time for crude racism

You must have mixed with the we only hate jews faction then because the main party saw Jews, Blacks and immigrants as the prime enemies

 

[Gully]

I have no time for crude racism

...as opposed to...polite racism?

 

[coventrygull]

You must have mixed with the we only hate jews faction then because the main party saw Jews, Blacks and immigrants as the prime enemies

Which main Party?

 

[coventrygull]

...as opposed to...polite racism?

Depends on your definition of racism. I am against multi culturalism but for racial and cultural diversity

 

[Chicken Runner61]

International Third Position

 

[Gully]

Depends on your definition of racism. I am against multi culturalism but for racial and cultural diversity

That sounds like you are for and against the same thing...surely multi culturalism is a society in which people of all backgrounds are given equal respect...which in my book is much the same as racial and cultural diversity.

 

[coventrygull]

International Third Position

Thats wikipedia for you. Look I knew Roberto Fiore, Derek Holland and Nick Griffin you don't get any closer to the main organisation than that do you. So I state yet again they blamed the capitalist system for the worlds problems not immigrants. If they hated ethnics Nick and Derek would not of gone to Libya. Have you read the Green Book

 

[coventrygull]

That sounds like you are for and against the same thing...surely multi culturalism is a society in which people of all backgrounds are given equal respect...which in my book is much the same as racial and cultural diversity.

But in this multi cultural society they aren't are they. Now if we were going to live in an OSHO world I would be all for it but sadly life isn't like that. I want to see cultures preserved in their own enviroments with a bit of healthy cooperation and mutual respect.

 

[Gully]

But in this multi cultural society they aren't are they. Now if we were going to live in an OSHO world I would be all for it but sadly life isn't like that. I want to see cultures preserved in their own enviroments with a bit of healthy cooperation and mutual respect.

I agree that life isn't easy, particularly so if you are an immigrant, the healthy cooperation and mutual respect that you allude to is an admirable aim...if only it could be achieved. However, preserving cultures in their own environments can prove tricky...does that mean restricting communities to their own areas, having black/asian/east european ghettos. Maybe you could have places where only white indiginous peoples can live, perhaps going to the system they had in South Africa with the pass laws, thus allowing non-whites in to do all the menial jobs.

 

[coventrygull]

I agree that life isn't easy, particularly so if you are an immigrant, the healthy cooperation and mutual respect that you allude to is an admirable aim...if only it could be achieved. However, preserving cultures in their own environments can prove tricky...does that mean restricting communities to their own areas, having black/asian/east european ghettos. Maybe you could have places where only white indiginous peoples can live, perhaps going to the system they had in South Africa with the pass laws, thus allowing non-whites in to do all the menial jobs.

No I beieve that the main reason that immigrants are here is they are escaping economic depravation in their own countries caused by globalisation. If by mutual Co operation these developing countries could be able to develop a long equal footing with the rest of the so called developed world. I believe most immigrants would wish to return home.