[Film] Spolieriffic Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Discussion *SPOILERS*

[Triggaaar]

My girlfriend is a massive fan of Jodie Comer and didn't notice it was her playing Rey's mum

She must have been asleep. Jodie wasn't exactly in disguise.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Excellent, I like it.

Didn't he say he was dead? I'll have to check exactly what he said to Rey.

Yeah, so I took that as zombie like alive, his spirit still in the decaying body but being preserved in that trapped state. All his plotting intended to get Rey there to secure his legacy and release his spirit to infect his granddaughter..."together we can rule the galaxy as Grandpa and Grandaughter"...not quite as punchy a line as Vader's it must be said.

 

[Chicken Run]

Maybe, but if the cloned cells were taken after his 'transformation' in ROTS, all the clone would become could be the wrinkled, broken form of Palpatine.

Or if his body is an artificial copy of the original, like Snoke being an artificial being, its not possible to create something perfect.

I don't think he can be a resurrected version of his old body as that must have been destroyed on the second Death Star, unless someone rescued his body and too it to Exegol, perhaps Pryde, or some similar fanatic. Its a bit too convinent though. It could explain the melted finger tips though.



Yeah that would work - I think the parents will have been cast too young, but that doesn't really matter. My girlfriend is a massive fan of Jodie Comer and didn't notice it was her playing Rey's mum, so they aren't on screen long enough to properly scrutinise. It'll be interesting to find out who Rey's paternal grandmother is - if anyone.

The Old Lady at the end....

 

[Bold Seagull]

I did love the whole production design of the Palpatine machinery, coming down with loads of pipes and cables suspending just above the ground. Made me think of films like Brazil and 12 Monkeys, both influenced by the late architectural illustrator Lebbeus Woods.

 

[Seaber]

If we take Luke's fall when confronted by Vader on Cloud City into a vent tunnel, then we can assume that when Vader chucks the emperor down the hole in ROTJ, that equally he may have slid into some side vent or something.

Talking of Cloud City, in TFA, Maz says the story of how Luke's first lightsaber came into her possession was a story for another time. I really hoped that'd be in TROS, but I don't recall anything being said about that.

 

[Chicken Run]

Talking of Cloud City, in TFA, Maz says the story of how Luke's first lightsaber came into her possession was a story for another time. I really hoped that'd be in TROS, but I don't recall anything being said about that.

She seemed to have all the trinkets from the past including Chewies medal from Ep 4

 

[Acker79]

I was trying not to antagonise.
You seem to be looking for an argument.

God no. I've spent too much time discussing movies on the old imdb message boards to have any interest in fighting about movies. I find most people's reaction to movies are emotional, we try to explain them with logic, but the truth is if we like a film, we'll overlook what might be considered by others as flaws, inconsistency, plot holes, or we'll fill in the gaps and praise the film for not trying to spoon feed us. If we don't like a film, we'll get hung up on flaws, find any explanation for their questions insufficient or unsupported by the film.

I didn't like the Rise of Skywalker (at least tired me on one viewing didn't like it). The scenes involving threepio's mind wipe play to me as if they were trying to make us believe Threepio was sacrificing himself for the greater good. His comment, whatever the exact words were, about R2's unreliable memory to me, as someone who didn't like it, come across as 'there's no memory back up'. For you, as someone who liked it, it was apparently more a 'there's a risk, but it'll probably be fine'.

He was taking one last look because he's a pessimistic bugger (you're familiar with Star Wars, right?). Look, they definitely didn't say his memory would be gone and that was that. He said there was a change R2 could restore it, and they said to 3PO 'you know the odds better than anyone'. I didn't think for a second they wouldn't get his memory back, that would just be weird (from a story point of view).

His pessimism is usually dismissed ("Don't tell me the odds") or are essentially a joke. To me, this scene was played with a seriousness, and finality to it. If he is getting his memory back, what's the risk? Why is everyone so concerned? Wipe his memory, get the translation, put his memory back. No muss, no fuss. No need to take one last look at his friends. I have no recollection of them saying there was a chance R2 could restore it, I remember them asking if he could and threepio saying he didn't trust R2's circuits. To me, that suggested he didn't trust them to risk backing up in R2. You have apparently taken it another way.

To me, the 'you know the odds' was about the success of their mission if Threepio doesn't sacrifice himself, they have no other choice.

That seemed like a post of things you didn't like, not a list of contradictions. Did you mention more than one other contradiction in that post?

Yes, I did. I also mentioned some things I liked, and some things I was neutral on but thought might be an interesting point of discussion, or something someone else might be able to clarify.

 

[The Clamp]

God no. I've spent too much time discussing movies on the old imdb message boards to have any interest in fighting about movies. I find most people's reaction to movies are emotional, we try to explain them with logic, but the truth is if we like a film, we'll overlook what might be considered by others as flaws, inconsistency, plot holes, or we'll fill in the gaps and praise the film for not trying to spoon feed us. If we don't like a film, we'll get hung up on flaws, find any explanation for their questions insufficient or unsupported by the film.

I didn't like the Rise of Skywalker (at least tired me on one viewing didn't like it). The scenes involving threepio's mind wipe play to me as if they were trying to make us believe Threepio was sacrificing himself for the greater good. His comment, whatever the exact words were, about R2's unreliable memory to me, as someone who didn't like it, come across as 'there's no memory back up'. For you, as someone who liked it, it was apparently more a 'there's a risk, but it'll probably be fine'.



His pessimism is usually dismissed ("Don't tell me the odds") or are essentially a joke. To me, this scene was played with a seriousness, and finality to it. If he is getting his memory back, what's the risk? Why is everyone so concerned? Wipe his memory, get the translation, put his memory back. No muss, no fuss. No need to take one last look at his friends. I have no recollection of them saying there was a chance R2 could restore it, I remember them asking if he could and threepio saying he didn't trust R2's circuits. To me, that suggested he didn't trust them to risk backing up in R2. You have apparently taking it another way.

To me, the 'you know the odds' was about the success of their mission if Threepio doesn't sacrifice himself, they have no other choice.



Yes, I did. I also mentioned some things I liked, and some things I was neutral on but thought might be an interesting point of discussion, or something someone else might be able to clarify.

I liked the film but also took the same view as you on the memory loss thing. I thought they had added the line about R2’s unreliable back ups to explain away why his memory will be lost for good. There was a finality to it and I also thought it was odd they then used R2’s back up after flagging up that it wasn’t an option.

 

[Acker79]

This is based on a single viewing...

On further thought, and discussing with a (different) friend who saw the film today (they're not a massive star wars fan, more of a film fan, but has seen them all - she was not fond of TRoS), I'll add...

Positive - Richard E Grant. I think he can have a tendency to overact and camp it up too much at times, and sci-fi fantasy, particularly one aimed at the family market would be the sort of film he'd do that in, so I was very worried when he was cast, but I thought he was suitably restrained, and played his part well.

Not specifically a negative, more a WTF?! - Lando with Jannah at the end... was he trying to seduce her? Felt very creepy. I mean, the words, taken innocently would suggest helping investigate her past, but the delivery screamed "inappropriate, old man!"
Also, Freddie Prinze Jr is in this movie. Freddie Prinze jr. The guy from She's All That. The former writer on WWE's "creative" team. Weird. I know acting and so on, but still. Weird.

Middle ground - Everyone showing up at the end, it was a nice visual, but it felt un-earned, too big too quick without much grounding. We go from nothing, no reaction to distress calls at the end of TLJ, to seemingly everyone showing up, without much of a middle ground, or signs of the rebellion regrowing and increasing. My friend contrasted it with Helm's deep where the Elves and the exiled gondorians returned, and we knew each of them and their stories well. Their showing up meant more, it wasn't just 'here's an increase in our numbers' it's rivalries put aside, exiles coming home, etc.

Looking at the trivia for TRoS on imdb:

The return of Emperor Palpatine (more specifically a clone of him) had already happened in the comic series Dark Empire, part of the now de-canonized Star Wars Expanded Universe. Writer Timothy Zahn, one of the most prominent authors of the Expanded Universe novels, had strongly opposed the decision to bring Palpatine back, stating: "It destroys Darth Vader's sacrifice in killing the Emperor at the end of Return of the Jedi. It unravels the whole original trilogy".​

I thought this was an interesting point, and quite a valid one. Vader's sacrifice has been somewhat undercut by the return of the emperor, hasn't it?

Why didn't all the Jedi live in Luke - do they all secretly think he's a bit of a dick?

 

[Iggle Piggle]

Saw it today. I liked it, 100 times better than the shitfest that was TLJ. The humour was well done (Taking the piss out of 3P0 not the trying too hard 'I'll hold' kind from the last film), it tied up the loose ends and picked up well from the mess it was left in after the end of the last film and dealt as well as it could. Quite liked them letting Poe being an alpha again, rather than the unsubtle bloke shaming 'Get back in your box'

Bringing back Palpatine was a bit of a cop out and I'd like to employ those contractors he got in to build the fleet of star destroyers without anyone noticing but by and large a decent effort. Personal highlights were the rise of Lukes x wing and the brief appearance of Wedge.

 

[nordicgod]

Just returned from seeing it , wasn’t holding out much hope , but really enjoyed it the best out of the last three and could actually watch it again unlike the the last Jedi .
Just a question what did Finn want to tell Rey as they were sinking into the quick sand?
And would have been nice to have seen all the old Jedi’s at the end.
And does Harrison Ford ever age?

 

[Seaber]

Not specifically a negative, more a WTF?! - Lando with Jannah at the end... was he trying to seduce her? Felt very creepy. I mean, the words, taken innocently would suggest helping investigate her past, but the delivery screamed "inappropriate, old man!"
Also, Freddie Prinze Jr is in this movie. Freddie Prinze jr. The guy from She's All That. The former writer on WWE's "creative" team. Weird. I know acting and so on, but still. Weird.

...the exiled gondorians returned...

Rohirrim!

Anyway, apparently Lando's infant daughter was taken by the First Order, like Finn and Jannah were. I took it as a genuine offer to help her find her family as he lost his own.

Freddie Prinze Jr. is a name I'd heard, but never from where. He plays a Jedi survivor of Order 66 in the Rebels TV series, I think Daisy Ridley also voices Rey from the future in it.

 

[Bold Seagull]

On further thought, and discussing with a (different) friend who saw the film today (they're not a massive star wars fan, more of a film fan, but has seen them all - she was not fond of TRoS), I'll add...

Positive - Richard E Grant. I think he can have a tendency to overact and camp it up too much at times, and sci-fi fantasy, particularly one aimed at the family market would be the sort of film he'd do that in, so I was very worried when he was cast, but I thought he was suitably restrained, and played his part well.

Not specifically a negative, more a WTF?! - Lando with Jannah at the end... was he trying to seduce her? Felt very creepy. I mean, the words, taken innocently would suggest helping investigate her past, but the delivery screamed "inappropriate, old man!"
Also, Freddie Prinze Jr is in this movie. Freddie Prinze jr. The guy from She's All That. The former writer on WWE's "creative" team. Weird. I know acting and so on, but still. Weird.

Middle ground - Everyone showing up at the end, it was a nice visual, but it felt un-earned, too big too quick without much grounding. We go from nothing, no reaction to distress calls at the end of TLJ, to seemingly everyone showing up, without much of a middle ground, or signs of the rebellion regrowing and increasing. My friend contrasted it with Helm's deep where the Elves and the exiled gondorians returned, and we knew each of them and their stories well. Their showing up meant more, it wasn't just 'here's an increase in our numbers' it's rivalries put aside, exiles coming home, etc.

Looking at the trivia for TRoS on imdb:

The return of Emperor Palpatine (more specifically a clone of him) had already happened in the comic series Dark Empire, part of the now de-canonized Star Wars Expanded Universe. Writer Timothy Zahn, one of the most prominent authors of the Expanded Universe novels, had strongly opposed the decision to bring Palpatine back, stating: "It destroys Darth Vader's sacrifice in killing the Emperor at the end of Return of the Jedi. It unravels the whole original trilogy".​

I thought this was an interesting point, and quite a valid one. Vader's sacrifice has been somewhat undercut by the return of the emperor, hasn't it?

Why didn't all the Jedi live in Luke - do they all secretly think he's a bit of a dick?

Darth Vader didn’t sacrifice himself to destroy the emperor, he did it to save his son. Throwing him over may not have killed him, but it saved Luke.

Not all the Jedi live in Rey either, in that moment all the past Jedi lend Rey power in that final desperate moment to combat the Emperor drawing on all the past Sith, because she is the prophecy to finally bring balance to the force.

 

[Iggle Piggle]

Just returned from seeing it , wasn’t holding out much hope , but really enjoyed it the best out of the last three and could actually watch it again unlike the the last Jedi .
Just a question what did Finn want to tell Rey as they were sinking into the quick sand?
And would have been nice to have seen all the old Jedi’s at the end.
And does Harrison Ford ever age?

I can't find the link but apparently he wanted to tell her that he was force sensitive.

 

[RossyG]

Yes, Abrams has confirmed this. Odd that they left in the set up but didn’t include the punchline. It makes no sense unless it’s explained.

 

[Triggaaar]

Yes, I did.

Could you tell me a couple of the other contradictions you mentioned please.

 

[Triggaaar]

I can't find the link but apparently he wanted to tell her that he was force sensitive.

Yes, Abrams has confirmed this. Odd that they left in the set up but didn’t include the punchline. It makes no sense unless it’s explained.

WTF?

 

[The Clamp]

WTF?

Solo said something about “feeling” something. But again, they dropped it and didn’t follow it up.

Oh, Trig! I do like your posts but it seems Star Wars is yet another thing you have simply failed to understand.
Merry Christmas, have a good one

 

[Triggaaar]

Solo said something about “feeling” something. But again, they dropped it and didn’t follow it up.

Solo? You mean when he says he 'I have a bad feeling about this'?

What's that got to do with Finn? Finn didn't say anything about a feeling. If he was going to, but they dropped it, why did they leave the bit in where he wanted to tell Rey something?

Oh, Trig! I do like your posts

News to me

but it seems Star Wars is yet another thing you have simply failed to understand.

Nice insult, thanks.

 

[Seaber]

WTF?

https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a...e-of-skywalker-finn-question-force-sensitive/