[Football] Southgate knighthood ? what do you think ?

[Driver8]

Can’t they just tell him he nearly got one but fell at the last hurdle?

 

[BadFish]

It's a no from me but then that post office woman got one so are they really that legitimate?

 

[JBizzle]

Best England manager of my life time with a squad that was VASTLY easy over hyped before each tournament.

Did a decent job, restored some pride in playing for your country that was very much lost under Capello, McClaren etc etc, led the team with honesty and humility and got us to two more finals than anyone else since 1966.

Couldn't care less about whether he gets a knighthood or not, but there have been far, far worse ones out there.

 

[nicko31]

Personally - I think he deserves a huge amount more respect than he seems to get for totally changing the narrative of the England team from where we were in 2016. What short memories some people have. I'm 61, and although I was alive for the 1966 Final, I was only 2 and a half , and have no memories of it first hand. My first memories are of the build up to Mexico in 1970, sticker books, and us being World Champions (of course!) - and the horrible disappointment of Leon.
Since then, up until Southgate, we have been way way short of anything at all. No finals, just the two semi finals, (both lost to the Germans), over a 46 year period. FORTY-SIX ! That isn't just a blip - that was the reality for us , for England - the absolute norm. We failed to qualify for 1974, 1976, 1978, 1984, 1994, 2008. We went out in the Group Stages in 1980, 1988, 1992, 2000, 2014. That is a total of ELEVEN tournaments in which we have failed to get into the middle stages of a tournament. That was the reality for us - the norm.
For the others - let me list the roll of shit - 1970: QF defeat to West Germany after being 2-0 up, 1972: QF thrashing by West Germany, 1982: Second round group stage elimination, 1986: QF defeat to Argentina (and yeah, hand of god and all that, but we were second best in that game anyway), 1990: SF defeat on pens to West Germany, 1996: SF defeat on pens to Germany, 1998: 2nd round defeat on pens to Argentina, 2002: QF defeat to Brazil, 2004: QF defeat on pens to Portugal, 2006: QF defeat on pens to Portugal, 2010: 2nd round thrashing by Germany, 2012: QF defeat on pens to Italy, 2016: 2nd round defeat to Iceland.... 13 mediocre showings, outside of the ten in which we failed to get to the mid stage. In short 24 tournaments - ZERO finals, just TWO semifinals......over 48 years!
Since Southgate - 2018 - SF defeat to Croatia, 2020 - Final defeat on pens, 2022- QF defeat to France, and 2024 - Final defeat to Spain. How on earth is that not a massive upgrade on what we have pretty much lived with for a lifetime? This has been the best ever period following England in my entire (sentient) life! By any measure.

Give the guy a bit of credit, please

Good summary. The slagging off of Southgate from many I find ridiculous, he achieved more than Venables and Robson combined. The rest achieved very little.

The problem with England is always expectation and its unusually not realistic

 

[A1X]

Plot twist - he’s actually getting it for this

 

[Flounce]

I was never a fan, but I get it. He got England a long way in tournaments and gave many people hope and happiness

 

[Bry Nylon]

…and gave many people hope and happiness

Particularly in Scotland

 

[Perfidious Albion]

Let him win a World Cup like Sir Alf before knighthoods are spoken of.

 

[Jackthelad]

He had the most talented crop of English players we've seen possibly ever and failed to win anything. Give him a job at any club team in English league and he would be sacked within a year.

 

[loz]

He had the most talented crop of English players we've seen possibly ever and failed to win anything. Give him a job at any club team in English league and he would be sacked within a year.

Can’t agree with that, 2001/06 probably the best England side ever. Beckham, Owen, Gerrard, Cole, Scholes, Neville, Carragher to name a few. All individually better in there respective positions.