Southern Rail STRIKE details

[Deadly Danson]

But how unreasonable is that? Seems like a fairly obvious thing to do, if there's disruption at one point that means some staff can't be where they should be then try running the service anyway, what on earth is wrong with that?

Definitions can be put around what 'disruption' means to ensure that everyone plays with a straight bat

But they won't play with a straight bat. There is already an "except during disruption" clause about drivers driving 12 coach trains which surprise surprise Southern have ripped up and ignored. That is why they are so keen to retain it now - so they can rip it up once the agreement is in place. Again, if it was all about minimising disruption, just have the guard and driver work together all day then the problem is solved.

 

[Spiros]

In their 8 point plan, they propose that the specifics of what are those exceptional circumstances can be discussed and agreed with the RMT. Seems a reasonable starting point to me.

And, even if it were not, we get back to all those other DOO services currently operating on the Brighton <-> London main line that no one seems upset about.

The ridiculous part of the RMTs "safety" argument is that a train can go from Brighton to London without a guard if it is a Thameslink or Gatwick Express train but must have a guard if it has a Southern badge. That's where the RMT lost me a long time ago. It's not about safety, it's about resisting change / political sabre-rattling and all it's done is disguise the fact that the current operator was already underperforming

 

[Diablo]

"Except during disruption" - which day in the last few years wasn't there disruption?

Mostly caused by the strikers !!!

 

[DFL JCL]

Mostly caused by the strikers !!!

Most of the disruption isn't caused by the strike. There is more than enough disruption when there isn't a strike.

 

[Yoda]

The ridiculous part of the RMTs "safety" argument is that a train can go from Brighton to London without a guard if it is a Thameslink or Gatwick Express train but must have a guard if it has a Southern badge. That's where the RMT lost me a long time ago. It's not about safety, it's about resisting change / political sabre-rattling and all it's done is disguise the fact that the current operator was already underperforming

But it's not just the London to Brighton line they want to implement it on. It's the whole network. How can an old 313 class run without a guard to close the doors when there is no CCTV on the side looking at the doors relaying the 3 second interval picture to the driver on a 2"x2" display?

 

[Arthur]

But it's not just the London to Brighton line they want to implement it on. It's the whole network. How can an old 313 class run without a guard to close the doors when there is no CCTV on the side looking at the doors relaying the 3 second interval picture to the driver on a 2"x2" display?

Why can't the driver do what the guard does and stick his head out of the door and look along the platform?

 

[albionite]

Why can't the driver do what the guard does and stick his head out of the door and look along the platform?

I suppose he could aslong as they give 3-5mins at each station to do so.

 

[Chinman3000]

Why can't the driver do what the guard does and stick his head out of the door and look along the platform?

It wasn't that long ago you could still get on a train when it was just leaving thanks to slam doors. People just got on with it. I don't buy this its all about safety BS I'm afraid, its just a scapegoat.

 

[Chinman3000]

I suppose he could aslong as they give 3-5mins at each station to do so.

How does it take 3-5 minutes to look out the window?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Why can't the driver do what the guard does and stick his head out of the door and look along the platform?

Probably because he should be looking forward up the line as he pulls away.

 

[albionite]

How does it take 3-5 minutes to look out the window?

Go look around the train then you tell me.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

Probably because he should be looking forward up the line as he pulls away.

What? Where is the confusion here? The driver looks out the window (isn't there a big curved mirror at the platforms anyway?), sees there is nobody else joining/leaving the train and he closes the doors. They close. The driver then prepares the train and pulls away. The whole process has taken 30 seconds, and everyone's happy including the guard who is having a nap in his cabin at the back of the train.

 

[Chinman3000]

Go look around the train then you tell me.

I would if they were fu*king running

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

What? Where is the confusion here? The driver looks out the window (isn't there a big curved mirror at the platforms anyway?), sees there is nobody else joining/leaving the train and he closes the doors. They close. The driver then prepares the train and pulls away. The whole process has taken 30 seconds, and everyone's happy including the guard who is having a nap in his cabin at the back of the train.

So the driver has to be able to deal with the possibility of somebody doing a death-or-glory lunge on to a train at the last possible second, while also having to deal with the possibility of the signals changing at the last possible second? Sounds far more safe and sensible to have two fully trained crew members working in tandem, each with their own separate and distinct responsibilities for the safe despatch of a train from a station.

 

[beorhthelm]

Probably because he should be looking forward up the line as he pulls away.

the doors should be very much closed before he pulls away.

 

[Norman Baker suck my lozenge]

There's no strike next Tuesday and Falmer is still closed for the evening.

Because southern is so desperately understaffed,can't blame understaffing on the nasty men and women who refuse to be bullied.

 

[Norman Baker suck my lozenge]

that's poor from Southern. This needs a gesture of goodwill from both sides. Southern to have no pre conditions on talks but also the union to call off the strike. Striking is in itself a pre condition.

Hardly surprising though,they have no regard whatsoever for their staff ,why would the care about passengers?they're still getting government funding,they're laughing all the way to Le bank.

 

[glasfryn]

Hardly surprising though,they have no regard whatsoever for their staff ,why would the care about passengers?they're still getting government funding,they're laughing all the way to Le bank.

corner cutting at the passengers expence

 

[Norman Baker suck my lozenge]

Be rest assured the public are losing any sort of sympathy they had with you lot. I had none by the way. All jobs involve an element of change, accept it, move on, or leave. There will be plenty of people to fill the vacancy you leave behind.

Yes,let's have a good old fashioned race to the bottom eh.

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

Yes,let's have a good old fashioned race to the bottom eh.

But its not Sports Direct which is.