Friday night was carnage.
How Horton is still in a job I don't know. My suspicion is he is doing dirty work for the government in taking on the unions. Claire Perry the rail minister shows no signs of truly taking GTR to task.
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- Thread starter Ernest
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Friday night was carnage.
How Horton is still in a job I don't know. My suspicion is he is doing dirty work for the government in taking on the unions. Claire Perry the rail minister shows no signs of truly taking GTR to task.
Horton's halftime iceberg
Blooming Marvellous
Horton's too busy kicking around his iceberg lettuce, I'll let you know
But really its shocking - I find it frustrating they can get away with this current mess
Hotchilidog
Well-known member
- Jan 24, 2009
- 9,120
Absolutely, he is singularly failing to deliver a functioning service, and what's worse he does not appear to be remotely interested in trying to provide one. The staff shortages and the train stock failures are all things he can do something about and yet chooses not too.
The pre-prepared cancellations are now becoming the new normal, I really pity those who have to rely on the coastway east and west services who are bing royally screwed at the moment.
It is quite clear that Horton and GTR could not give a f**k about passengers, it is incredible that they are getting such an easy ride from the government.
Union says it has proof Southern Railway lied about cancelled services
A fresh row over staffing on the railways has broken out after a union said it had “conclusive evidence” that a leading train operator was deliberately cancelling services and blaming staff sickness.
The Rail, Maritime and Transport union (RMT) has written to the managing director of Southern Railway accusing the company of “lying” to passengers over the reasons for a spate of cancellations in recent weeks.
The union quoted two examples it claimed showed how Southern was trying to shift the “scandal of short-staffing and managerial incompetence” onto frontline workers.
The letter says a driver and guard were available to work the 7.10am Brighton to Lewes on 1 June, and arrived, in good time, only to find the train was showing as cancelled due to a shortage of train crew.
The second example involved a Twitter response from Southern to a passenger saying a train had been cancelled due to a shortage of guards, when the line used driver-only trains.
Source (and more): http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...outhern-railway-lied-about-cancelled-services
A fresh row over staffing on the railways has broken out after a union said it had “conclusive evidence” that a leading train operator was deliberately cancelling services and blaming staff sickness.
The Rail, Maritime and Transport union (RMT) has written to the managing director of Southern Railway accusing the company of “lying” to passengers over the reasons for a spate of cancellations in recent weeks.
The union quoted two examples it claimed showed how Southern was trying to shift the “scandal of short-staffing and managerial incompetence” onto frontline workers.
The letter says a driver and guard were available to work the 7.10am Brighton to Lewes on 1 June, and arrived, in good time, only to find the train was showing as cancelled due to a shortage of train crew.
The second example involved a Twitter response from Southern to a passenger saying a train had been cancelled due to a shortage of guards, when the line used driver-only trains.
Source (and more): http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...outhern-railway-lied-about-cancelled-services
Surprised they have only leaked 2.
Suppose more will be coming out in next few weeks, rmt will have to go it alone while aslef have been silenced.
I only had to get from Portslade to Shoreham on Friday for my son's football presentation evening. It was held almost next to Shoreham station and there was a bar so we'd originally said we'd take the train. When the fatality happened at East Worthing I should have changed plans and driven / got the bus / a sherbert. The reason I didn't was that the National Rail app was showing three trains, all running with no delays that I could use to get there. I figured one might end up cancelled but that still left me a choice of two.
Two were cancelled about a minute before they were due, the third was well over 10 minutes late, as was I. That's for a four mile journey FFS.
Superseagull
Well-known member
- Jul 8, 2003
- 2,123
Looks like they are doing their best to beat that record this evening. Lots of trains leaving Victoria to Brighton cancelled due to no drivers.
They've been running fine all day... hit evening rush hour and it has gone to shit.
16.17 Victoria to Littlehampton is running fast from Haywards Heath to Worthing/Littlehampton to make up time. Ironically, we are slow since we got to Shoreham as we are stuck behind a stopping service !
16.17 Victoria to Littlehampton is running fast from Haywards Heath to Worthing/Littlehampton to make up time. Ironically, we are slow since we got to Shoreham as we are stuck behind a stopping service !
Lower West Stander
Well-known member
Starting to wonder if all the Samaritans signs dotted round the tracks these days are just for the benefit of SASTA passengers......
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I think everyone should spam the shit out of Claire Perry, the rail minister. Her website shows that she wants to "Protect Our Local Train Services" but is happy to fiddle whilst Southern's Rome burns.
claire.perry.mp@parliament.uk
Or her DafT email
claire.perry@dft.gsi.gov.uk
claire.perry.mp@parliament.uk
Or her DafT email
claire.perry@dft.gsi.gov.uk
Remember, anyone heading to London Bridge on Wednesday between 7.30 and 9.30, there's a 'Meet the manager' session. I've no doubt it'll be pulled though.
pasty
A different kind of pasty
Absolute ****ing joke tonight. The 1800 is my usual "aimed for" train but sometime due to slow tube I end up on the 18:15. Fortunately I have a sympathetic boss who allowed me to leave a little early to absolutely make sure I got the 18:00
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
Southern need their franchise removed from them, then we should see some sort of improvement.
- Jan 19, 2010
- 1,369
Kudos to our driver. He announced that he wasn't going to apologise on behalf of GTR as "he'd heard their reasons for tonight's terrible service, and the excuses don't wash". He then gave a short personal apology, and sounded genuinely sincere.
S
smileyweb
Guest
Same here. Well, 4 mins late arriving, so still pretty miraculous.
All back to standard SNAFU status on the way home, though...
thedonkeycentrehalf
Moved back to wear the gloves (again)
- Jul 7, 2003
- 9,340
Statistics and Lies - part 2
For those that don't commute, a regular look at the Delays/Cancellations pages within the Live Service Info would be quite comical if it wasn't for the fact that people are being inconvenienced.
They manage to apologise for trains having more carriages due to a lack of train crew which is an interesting spin on things. Some of the trains now 'running' are laughable attempts at keeping the figures up. The Arun Valley line seems to have the worst of it. I have seen Horsham to Victoria services that start at East Croydon and Victoria to Bognor trains that start at Barnham. I am assuming that even if the train only runs part of its route then it still counts as a service and if it manages to run from Barnham to Bognor on time, that also helps the stats.
For those that don't commute, a regular look at the Delays/Cancellations pages within the Live Service Info would be quite comical if it wasn't for the fact that people are being inconvenienced.
They manage to apologise for trains having more carriages due to a lack of train crew which is an interesting spin on things. Some of the trains now 'running' are laughable attempts at keeping the figures up. The Arun Valley line seems to have the worst of it. I have seen Horsham to Victoria services that start at East Croydon and Victoria to Bognor trains that start at Barnham. I am assuming that even if the train only runs part of its route then it still counts as a service and if it manages to run from Barnham to Bognor on time, that also helps the stats.
pasty
A different kind of pasty
Fortunately that sort of thing has never happened to me, but I hear it often enough at Victoria. "The 17 something service from Victoria to somewhere else will now start at East Croydon" I mean seriously, WTF !!!
They cancel the Southampton to Victoria trains with great alacrity. Think they do occasionally start/finish them at Barnham, so like you say, it's probably figure-massaging.