Some Polish bloke just knocked on my door asking for money

[British Bulldog]

Of course it's relevant in terms of finding him if he's done something wrong! Clearly the police would be seeking a Polish male for that particular offence.

However, I meant- and I'd have thought this was obvious- that it's not relevant in the context of this thread, which (I felt) was rather implying that this particular gentleman's nationality was somehow connected to his actions.

Personally I don't think it is, there are plenty of unpleasant people in this world, of all backgrounds.

Maybe it's just the realisation that the imigration laws in this country is now starting affect people on their own doorsteps?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

For a start BOF I think Britian is seen as a soft touch on imigration and thats why they all head here and thats why there's an estimated 1 million illegals who are unaccounted for.

On the subject of the minimum wage the employers who pay less than that will do so if they can get away with it, But they'll only get away with it if people accept being paid that and a lot of british workers quite rightly refuse. There's been a lot of hard work done by unions in this country to have a minimum wage and to keep increasing it, But there's a lot of imigrants flooding the country at the moment who will quite happily undermine those rights. I'm not using this thread for a racist platform but a lot of people will turn a blind eye to whats going on unless it affects them directly, And over a period of time more and more people will be affected by foriegn workers willing to undercut them on wages. It's wrong BOF.

They are a soft touch on immigration AND the serial umeployed/benefit claimants.

On the flip side, employees will accept less than minimum wage if it is offered. If there is a choice between not being able to house/feed your family then I would imagine the vast majority would accept that wage.

I do not lay the blame at the migrant worker. I spent 6 weeks in Cuba. I was approached by a man wanting to show me round the city for $10. He was promptly arrested and the policeman explained to me that Doctors earn $30 a month (Cuba has one of the best health services in the world) and the goverment/fidel would not stand for people trying to break the system. You can understand that people who earn $30 a month would want to leave, as they can get much much more for doing the same job.

Employers have a civic duty to obey th rules. I can see both sides of the argument, but as far as I am concerned, the blame lies with the employer.

 

[British Bulldog]

They are a soft touch on immigration AND the serial umeployed/benefit claimants.

On the flip side, employees will accept less than minimum wage if it is offered. If there is a choice between not being able to house/feed your family then I would imagine the vast majority would accept that wage.

I do not lay the blame at the migrant worker. I spent 6 weeks in Cuba. I was approached by a man wanting to show me round the city for $10. He was promptly arrested and the policeman explained to me that Doctors earn $30 a month (Cuba has one of the best health services in the world) and the goverment/fidel would not stand for people trying to break the system. You can understand that people who earn $30 a month would want to leave, as they can get much much more for doing the same job.

Employers have a civic duty to obey th rules. I can see both sides of the argument, but as far as I am concerned, the blame lies with the employer.

Would you go to Cuba (or any other country for that matter )and work for less than a Cuban if it meant undermining any rights they've fought hard for BOF? I could'nt do it fella.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Would you go to Cuba (or any other country for that matter )and work for less than a Cuban if it meant undermining any rights they've fought hard for BOF? I could'nt do it fella.

Not personally, no. But then I am living in a highly developed country with (relatively) good services, low(er) crime rates and good opportunities.

I am not saying that it is right, but it is understandble, to me anyway.


Why do so many Brits retire to France or head to Spain? I think quality of life is the forefront of everyones ideals.

 

[British Bulldog]

Why do so many Brits retire to France or head to Spain? I think quality of life is the forefront of everyones ideals.

Because they've earned the right to fella and they've earned the money to afford to retire abroad. Just as there's a lot of good foriegners who have earned the right to live and work here, But unfortunatly there's a large element of foriegners who see us as the soft touch we are and will take advantage of that.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Because they've earned the right to fella and they've earned the money to afford to retire abroad. Just as there's a lot of good foriegners who have earned the right to live and work here, But unfortunatly there's a large element of foriegners who see us as the soft touch we are and will take advantage of that.

Sorry, you weren't meant to take that so literally. The point was that people will always search for a better life, whether they have earnt it or not.

I think we are in agreement. There are a lot of foreigners that think we are a soft touch, but plenty more Brits that also have the same view. If we can sort things out on the home front, then we would not have fellow EU members taking advantage of the system. That is what I think, anyway. Get the coach potatoes/kyle watchers out to work and there will not be the jobs for excess people coming into the country. We could start with cutting child allowance over a certain threshold (of kids) and benefits to those unemplyed for more than a certain amount of time!

 

[British Bulldog]

Sorry, you weren't meant to take that so literally. The point was that people will always search for a better life, whether they have earnt it or not.

I think we are in agreement. There are a lot of foreigners that think we are a soft touch, but plenty more Brits that also have the same view. If we can sort things out on the home front, then we would not have fellow EU members taking advantage of the system. That is what I think, anyway. Get the coach potatoes/kyle watchers out to work and there will not be the jobs for excess people coming into the country. We could start with cutting child allowance over a certain threshold (of kids) and benefits to those unemplyed for more than a certain amount of time!

Dont get me started on that benefit stuff BOF, I've got a disabled sister who has to pay for her own prescriptions for medication that keeps her pain at bay, And then I also see a load of lazy lard arses who cant be arsed to work getting everything put on a plate for them.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Dont get me started on that benefit stuff BOF, I've got a disabled sister who has to pay for her own prescriptions for medication that keeps her pain at bay, And then I also see a load of lazy lard arses who cant be arsed to work getting everything put on a plate for them.

It is extremely frustrating. I think (I was born in 1980, so forgive me if I am badly misled) that this has got severely worse under the labour government. I was watching wife swap the other day and a chap had been unemployed for 10 years, after the death of his father. He was apparently too depressed to work, but happy to get up and play on his nintendo and then head off to the pub. He was taking the mickey out of people who suffered from real depression.

Not to mention a documentary on mutliple babies. A girl (who had 9 kids) said "We can afford another one. We get an extra £150 a week for the next one".

I had to seek treatment privately (luckily, I had the funds) but that shouldn't have to happen!!

 

[British Bulldog]

It is extremely frustrating. I think (I was born in 1980, so forgive me if I am badly misled) that this has got severely worse under the labour government. I was watching wife swap the other day and a chap had been unemployed for 10 years, after the death of his father. He was apparently too depressed to work, but happy to get up and play on his nintendo and then head off to the pub. He was taking the mickey out of people who suffered from real depression.

Not to mention a documentary on mutliple babies. A girl (who had 9 kids) said "We can afford another one. We get an extra £150 a week for the next one".

I had to seek treatment privately (luckily, I had the funds) but that shouldn't have to happen!!

No BOF that sort of thing should never happen! I'm just coming up for 30 years doing the same shit job i've done since i left school but it keeps a roof over my family and food in their bellie's so i absolutely deplore these lazy f**kers who look for an excuse not to work. The trouble is the system allows it and it should'nt. Human right's are ok but it's allways open to exploitation.

 

[adrian29uk]

I hope the Police caught up with this bloke. I don't know how many doors this guy must have knocked on, but I am sure these people are having the same conversation as us.

 

[junior]

I read an interesting story about a Polish woman who was a highly qualified Dentist. She wanted to get started, but the barriers she faced were unreal. It is a very poor immigration policy when you have so many hard working, qualified people that have their hands tied. Particularly in a field such as dentristry, when we have a severe shortage!

She could always f*** off back to Poland and start a dentist

We should ban all these foreign fuckers from coming into the country and moaning they cant make a living.

 

[Gully]

The cockle pickers at Morcambe Bay were paid something like a pound a day, that my friends is slavery...the fact that it is allowed to take place in modern Britain should concern us all, it certainly does me.

 

[adrian29uk]

Two things need to happen

1) Greedy people who employ these below the MW need to be fined heavily

2) The borders need to be tightened further or closed until the situation is sorted out.

This country cannot sustain the influx of new people regardless of what race, colour they are. Enough is enough and I am sure most people agree here.

And someone knocking on doors in Peacehaven of all places, just proves the point that maybe immigration is out of control and we are slowly seeing the effects of this.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

The only people I have heard moaning about foriegn workers are British tradesmen.

Depends what indusrtry you work in. If you work in call centres johnny-foreigner has been taking your work for years. Same in software development. It is the market.

 

[Yorkie]

She could always f*** off back to Poland and start a dentist

We should ban all these foreign fuckers from coming into the country and moaning they cant make a living.

That's interesting coming from someone in the RAF. We had hundreds of Poles in the RAF during the war who had escaped just before Sept. 1939. Read up just how much they contributed to the war effort.

 

[Seasider78]

Was dealing with an agency in Reading who supply warehousing staff and they mostly send Polish workers who are extremely hard working. The guy who ran the agency has said he struggles to get many british workers on his books (and not for the want of trying either).

To be honest I have got more of a problem with the hoardes of lazy Brits sitting at home living off our taxes whilst perfectly capable to work than a few Poles trying to make a better life for themselves and their families!!

 

[adrian29uk]

Was dealing with an agency in Reading who supply warehousing staff and they mostly send Polish workers who are extremely hard working. The guy who ran the agency has said he struggles to get many british workers on his books (and not for the want of trying either).

To be honest I have got more of a problem with the hoardes of lazy Brits sitting at home living off our taxes whilst perfectly capable to work than a few Poles trying to make a better life for themselves and their families!!

I agree with what you are saying, but be honest with me.

Could you afford to live on the Minimum wage?

Would you work for the Minimum wage?

I need a minimum of £6.00 per hour, this is not because I am selfish, its because things are expensive.

 

[Seasider78]

I agree with what you are saying, but be honest with me.

Could you afford to live on the Minimum wage?

Would you work for the Minimum wage?

I need a minimum of £6.00 per hour, this is not because I am selfish, its because things are expensive.

Personally against being on benefits when I am more than capable of working yes I would. I am not saying the minimum wage is set at an appropriate level against the cost of living as it is not but I do take issue when I see people perfectly capable of working down the pub whilst I am at work. That and the fact that most of these people end up in better housing than most of the younger generation can even dream of affording troubles me.

My point is people seem to have this misconception that in some way immigrant workers are stealing Brtish jobs from ordinary hardworking Brits without any concern or disregard for the seemingly expanding number of lazy b*astards quite happily living off of a benefit system that was only introduced as a crutch to support people while they get back on their feet!

IMO of course!

 

[Questions]

One of the main problems with the benefit system is that the sort of people who are long term unemployed are very often at the bottom of the wage scale even if they were miraculously able to get a job. Now with their dole cheque and their other benefits they would not really be better off working at all.

So I would advocate a system that reduced their money month by month so that the difference became greater between benefits and wages and that might persuade them back to work.

Then genuine claimants would not be punished as soon as they became unemployed.


Let as many Polish women in as you like because most of the ones I have seen look pretty good. Then chuck out all the fat tarts from council estates who wear leggings and crop tops.

 

[Rougvie]

Being in Aircraft Engineering we saw a massive influx of Eastern European workers last year, but its started to dry up because although they earn double here, their taxes are treble and housing is also about 3 times what they pay in Warsaw.

Out of about 10 who came initially, only 1 has settled here.

I dont think we are seeing a mass of skilled workers coming in now, its becoming more like what a lot of Southern Hemisphere migrants do, stay for a few years, earn as much money as they can then go home for a better life. What we are seeing is a massive tidal wave of unskilled workers with families that are causing a huge burden on local services and infrastructure.

But your pro-literiat dont recognise this in their caring sharing open door policy world because most of them dont have to wait 6 days for their kids to see a doctor.

If it doesnt stop then maybe not this year, but soon there will be trouble.