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[Chicken Run]

Is that the best you can do? Someone who doesn't vote Conservative, BNP or UKIP is a 'lefty' - is that what you believe is your considered answer? Surely there's more to your answer than that. Come on, this is a proper debate. I'll ask again - what, to you, is a 'lefty'?

And yes, I'll square with you, you are one of the people I had in mind when I asked this question.

Nope that's my opinion and for somone who spends alot more time on here than me I am royaly chuffed to pieces that I might be part of your silly little "loaded question" thread for you and all your Thatcher Hating sad 40 somthings to gang up like sad old dogs who've had their day I rue the day when the conservative party are returned and anyone who doesnt like it can do a Jim Davidson and go a live in North Korea

 

[H block]

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Left-Handed U.S. Presidents
James A. Garfield (1831-1881) 20th
Herbert Hoover (1874-1964) 31st
Harry S. Truman (1884-1972) 33rd
Gerald Ford (1913- ) 38th
Ronald Reagan (1911 - ) 40th
George H.W. Bush (1924- ) 41st
Bill Clinton (1946- ) 42nd


Left-Handed U.S. Politicos
Senator Bill Bradley, Rhodes scholar, basketball star
McGeorge Bundy, presidential advisor
Benjamin Franklin, statesman/publisher/scientist
Steve Forbes, businessman/publisher
Jean-Marc Froidevaux ?, Suiss politician
Ruth Bader Ginsberg, Supreme Court Justice
Senator Daniel Inouye
Anthony Kennedy, Supreme Court Justice
Brigadier Gen. Lee Hsien Loon, Deputy Prime Minister of Singapore
Robert S. McNamara, Secretary of Defense
Col. Oliver North, White House aid
H. Ross Perot, businessman
William Perry, Secretary of Defense
Nelson Rockefeller, Vice President
Senator Hugh Scott
Robert Wagner, New York mayor
Henry Wallace, Vice President
[Senator Bob Dole - switched to left due to injury]


Miscellaneous Left-Handers
Joan of Arc (?), French heroine
Lloque Yapanqui (?), Inca monarch
Ramses II (?), Egyptian pharaoh
Tiberius (?), Roman emperor
Alexander the Great
Charlemagne, Holy Roman emperor
Julius Caesar, Roman general
Napoléon Bonaparte (?), French emperor
Josephine de Beauharnais
King Louis XVI of France
Queen Victoria of England
King George II of England
King George VI of England
Prince Charles of England
Prince William of England
Fidel Castro, Cuban leader
Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli prime-minister
Nicole d'Oresme, mathematician
Henry Ford, automobile manufacturer
David Rockefeller, banker
Dwight F. Davis, founder of the Davis Cup in tennis
Helen Keller, advocate for the blind
Dr. Albert Schweitzer, physician/missionary
August Piccard, inventor of stratosphere, bathosphere
Edwin Buzz Aldrin, astronaut
Wally Schirra, astronaut
Dr. Mark Silver, surgeon
Paul Prudhomme, chef
Cecil Beaton, photographer/costume designer
Lord Baden-Powell, founder of the Boy Scouts (ambidexterous)
Dave Barry, journalist
Edward R. Murrow, correspondent
Ted Koppel, journalist
Forrest Sawyer, journalist
Ray Suarez, journalist
John F. Kennedy, Jr., lawyer/publisher
Caroline Kennedy, lawyer/author
Ron Reagan, son of Ronald Reagan
Vin Scully, sports broadcaster
David Letterman (?), host
Jay Leno, host
Lenny Bruce, comedian
Allen Ludden, host
Joel Hodgson, host of Mystery Science Theater 3000
Wink Martindale, game show host
Uri Geller, psychokinetic performer
Richard Simmons, exercise guru
Euell Gibbons, naturalist
Marie Dionne, one of the Dionne quintuplets
General H. Norman Schwarzkopf
Clarence Darrow, lawyer
F. Lee Bailey, lawyer
Melvin Belli, lawyer
Marcia Clark, lawyer
Alan Funt, television producer
Milt Caniff, cartoonist
Bill Mauldin, cartoonist
Cathy Guisevite, cartoonist
Matt Groening, cartoonist
Jean Plantureux (Plantu), political cartoonist
Pat Oliphand, political cartoonist Ronald Searle, cartoonist
Pat Robertson, evangelist/politician
N.B. Forrest, Confederate general
John Dillinger, criminal/bank robber
Boston Strangler (Albert Henry DeSalvo), serial killer
Jack-the-Ripper, serial killer
John Wesley Hardin, Western gunslinger
Bart Simpson, cartoon character
[King Edward III of England, due to stroke]


Left-Handed Authors
James Baldwin, novelist
Bet Bowen, horror novelist
Peter Benchley, novelist
Lewis Carroll
Richard Condon, novelist
Jean Genet
Marshall McLuhan
Diane Paul
Helen Hooven Santmyer, novelist
Viktoria Stefanov
Mark Twain, novelist
Samuel C. Warner (?), poet
H.G. Wells
Jessamyn West
Eudora Welty, see One Writer's Beginnings (1983:27)
[Thomas Carlyle - switched to left due to injury]


Left-Handed Musicians
Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach, composer
David Byrne (Talking Heads)
Glen Campbell
Vicki Carr
Natale Cole
Kurt Cobain (Nirvana)
Phil Collins (Genesis)
Billy Corgan (Smashing Pumpkins)
Dick Dale (guitarist)
Don Everly (The Everly Brothers)
Phil Everly (The Everly Brothers)
Bela Fleck, jazz musician
Glenn Frey (the Eagles)
Eric Gale, guitarist
Noel Gallagher (Oasis) (?)
Errol Garner, jazz pianist
Judy Garland
Crysal Gayle
Kevin Griffin, guitarist & lead singer (Better than Ezra)
Thomas Hedley, vocalist/musician
Jimi Hendrix
Isaac Hayes
Tony Iommi, guitarist (Black Sabbath)
Albert King, guitarist
Melissa Manchester
Chuck Mangione, trumpet
Martina McBride ?, country music singer
Paul McCartney (the Beatles; Wings)
Christie Marie Melonson (opera)
George Michael (Wham!)
Peter Nero, conductor
Joe Perry ? (Aerosmith)
Robert Plant (Led Zepplin)
Cole Porter, song-writer
Sergei Rachmaninoff ?, composer
Maurice Ravel ?, composer
Lou Rawls
John Lydon a.k.a. Johnny Rotten (Sex Pistols / Public Image Ltd.)
Rich Szabo, trumpeter
Seal
Ringo Starr (?) (the Beatles)
Paul Simon (Simon & Garfunkel)
Tiny Tim
Rudy Valee
Lenny White, drummer
Paul Williams, song-writer


Left-Handed Artists
Albrecht Dürer
M.C. Escher
Hans Holbein
Paul Klee
Michelangelo
LeRoy Neiman
Raphael
Leonardo da Vinci (RH paralyzed?)


Left-Handed Actors
Don Adams
Dan Aykroyd
Eddie Albert
Tim Allen
June Allyson
Harry Anderson
Amitabh Bachchan, Indian actor
Herschel Bernardi
Robert Blake
Matthew Broderick
Bruce Boxleitner
Carol Burnett
George Burns, comedian
Ruth Buzzi, comedienne
Sid Caesar, comedian
Keith Carradine
Khaled Chahrour, Egyptian actor
Charlie Chaplin
George Gobel, comedian
Chuck Conners
Hans Conreid
James Cromwell
Tom Cruise
Quinn Cummings
Daniel Davis
Bruce Davison
Matt Dillon
Marty Engles, comedian
Olivia de Havilland
Robert DeNiro
Michael Dorn
Fran Drescher, comedian
Richard Dreyfuss
W.C. Fields
Larry Fine ? (of the Three Stooges)
Peter Fonda
Greta Garbo
Terri Garr
Paul Michael Glaser
Whoopie Goldberg
Betty Grable
Cary Grant
Peter Graves
Mark Hamill
Rex Harrison
Goldie Hawn
Joey Heatherton
Tippi Hedren
Jim Henson, puppetteer
Kermit the Frog
Rock Hudson
Angelina Jolie
Shirley Jones ?
Gabe Kaplan
Danny Kaye
Diane Keaton
George Kennedy
Nicole Kidman
Lisa Kudrow
Michael Landon
Hope Lange
Joey Lawrence
Peter Lawford
Cloris Leachman
Hal Linden
Cleavon Little
Shirley MacLaine
Andrew McCarthy
Kristy McNichol
Steve McQueen
Howie Mandel, comedian
Marcel Marceau, mime
Harpo Marx
Marsha Mason
Mary Stuart Masterson
Anne Meara, comedian
Sasha Mitchell
Marilyn Monroe
Robert Morse
Anthony Newley
Kim Novak
Ryan O'Neal
Sarah Jessica Parker
Estelle Parsons
Anthony Perkins
Ron Perlman
Luke Perry
Bronson Pinchot
Joe Piscopo, comedian
Robert Preston
Michael J. Pollard
Richard Pryor, comedian
Robert Redford
Keanu Reeves
Don Rickles, comedian
Julia Roberts
Mickey Rourke
Eva Marie Saint
Telly Savalas
Jean Seberg
Jerry Seinfeld, comedian
Christian Slater
Dick Smothers, comedian
Brent Spiner
Slyvester Stallone ?
Terence Stamp
Jessica Steen
Rod Steiger
Alan Thicke
Terry Thomas, comedian
Emma Thompson
Rip Torn
Peter Ustinov
Brenda Vaccaro
Karen Valentine
Rudy Vallee
Dick Van Dyke
Graham Walker a.k.a. Grumbleweeds, English comedian
Wil Wheaton
James Whitmore
Treat Williams
Bruce Willis
William Windom
Oprah Winfrey
Mare Winningham
Joanne Woodward
Keenan Wynn
Stephanie Zimbalist


Left-Handed Athletes
SOCCER
Jans van Breukelen (soccer)
Dan Burbott (?) (soccer)
Johan Cruyff (soccer)
Willem van Hanegem (soccer)
Hernan Medford (soccer)
Pelé -Edson Arantes do Nascimento (soccer)
Diego Armando Maradona (soccer)
Romario (soccer)
Hugo Sanchez (soccer)
Richard Witschge (soccer)
CRICKET
Alan Border (cricket)
Alistair Campbell (cricket)
Denis Compton (cricket)
Saurav Ganguly (cricket)
David Gower (cricket)
Gary Sobers (cricket)
OLYMPIC SPORTS
Francis X. Gorman (diving)
Greg Louganis (diving)
Mark Spitz (swimming)
Bruce Jenner (decathlon)
Nikita Kohloff (wrestling)
Dorothy Hamill (skating)
GOLF
Bonny Bryant (golf)
Bob Charles (golf)
Russ Cochran (golf)
Connie Decker (golf)
NOT Ben Hogan (golf), who is included on many published lists
FENCING
Cécile Argiolas (fencing)
Laura Flessel-Colovic (fencing)
Fabrice Gazin (fencing)
Matthieu Gourdain (fencing)
Fabrice Jeannet (fencing)
Giuseppe Mangiarotti (fencing)
Hugues Obry (fencing)
Anne-Lise Touya (fencing)
Adeline Wuilleme (fencing)
CYCLING
Thomas Voeckler (French), cyclist
HOCKEY
Tom Barrasso
Phil Esposito
Cam Neely
Terry Sawchuk
Roman Turek
BOWLING
Bill Allen (bowling)
Patrick Allen (bowling)
Earl Anthony (bowling)
Mike Aulby (bowling)
Steve Cook (bowling)
Patty Costello (bowling)
Dave Davis (bowling)
Cara Honeychurch (bowling)
Tish Johnson (bowling)
Johnny Petraglia (bowling)
Andy Varipapa (bowling)
BILLARDS
Steve Mizerak, Jr. (billiards)
Kun-Fang Lee (billiards)
Bonnie Arnold (billiards)
Reynaldo Grandee (billiards)
BADMINTON
Erik Poul Hoejer (badminton)
Peter Rasmussen (badminton)
Donna Stacey (netball)
BOXERS
Carmen Basilio (boxing)
James "Gentleman Jim" Corbett (boxing)
Marvin Hagler (boxing)
Oscar de la Hoya (boxing)
Reggie Johnson (boxing)
Rafael "Bazooka" Limon (boxing)
Freddie Miller (boxing)
Jacker Patterson (boxing)
Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker (boxing)
DRIVERS
Johnny Herbert (Formula 1 driver)
Terry Labonte (NASCAR race car driver)
Ayrton Senna (Formula 1 driver)
Karl Wendlinger (Formula 1 driver)
Valentino Rossi (motorcycle racer)
AMERICAN FOOTBALL
Frankie Albert (Am.football)
Terry Baker (Am.football)
Mark Brunell (quarterback)
Bobby Douglass (Am.football)
Norman "Boomer" Esiason (Am.football)
Jim Del Gaizon (Am.football)
David Humm (Am.football)
Paul McDonald (Am.football)
Scott Mitchell (Am.football)
Gayle Sayers (Am.football)
Allie Sherman (Am.football, coach)
Kenny Stabler (Am.football)
Steve Young (Am.football)
Jim Zorn (Am.football)
BASKETBALL
Nate Archibald (basketball)
Walter Berry (basketball)
Larry Bird (basketball)
Adrian Branch (basketball)
Calbert Cheaney (basketball)
Dave Cowens (basketball)
Adrian Dantley (basketball)
Charles "Lefty" Driesell (basketball)
Mark Eaton (basketball)
Nick Van Exel (basketball)
Gail Goodrich (basketball)
Ron Kellogg (basketball)
Toni Kukoc (basketball)
Bob Lanier (basketball)
Brad Lohaus (basketball)
Harold Minor? (basketball)
Dick Motta (basketball)
Chris Mullen (basketball)
Sam Perkins (basketball)
Digger Phelps (basketball)
Willis Reed (basketball)
Guy Rodgers (basketball)
Bill Russell (basketball)
Wayman Tisdale (basketball)
Bill Walton (basketball)
Lenny Wilkins (basketball)
Manuel Zuleta (basketball)
TENNIS
Kenneth Carlsen (tennis)
Jimmy Connors (tennis)
Norman Brookes (tennis)
Courtney De Mone (tennis)
Guy Forget (tennis)
Andres Gomez (Santos) (tennis)
Goran Ivanesivic (tennis)
Rod Laver (tennis)
Henri LeConte (tennis)
John McEnroe (tennis)
Thomas Muster (tennis)
Martina Navratilova (tennis) - ambidexterous
Manuel Orantes (tennis)
Niki Pilic (tennis)
Renee Richards (tennis)
Marcello Chino Rios (tennis)
Monica Seles (tennis)
Roscoe Tanner (tennis)
Guillermo Vilas (tennis)
Mark Woodforde (tennis)
BASEBALL
Steve Carlton ? (pitcher)
Whitey Ford (pitcher)
Paul Gibson (pitcher)
Lefty Grove (pitcher)
Ron Guidry (pitcher)
Al Habrosky (pitcher)
Steve Howe (pitcher)
Bruce Hurst (pitcher)
Carl Hubbell (pitcher)
Randy Johnson (pitcher)
Tommy John (pitcher)
Bob Kipper (pitcher)
Joe Magrane (pitcher)
Greg Swindell (pitcher)
Brady Anderson (baseball)
Steve Avery (baseball)
Harold Baines (baseball)
Barry Bonds (baseball)
Wade Boggs ? (baseball)
Lou Brock (baseball)
Brett Butler (baseball)
Will Clark (baseball)
Ty Cobb (baseball)
Adrian Dantley (basketball)
Lenny Dykstra (baseball)
John Franco (baseball)
Tom Glavine (baseball)
Lefty Gomez (baseball)
Leon "Goose" Goslin (baseball)
Ken Griffey, Jr. (baseball)
Tony Gwynn (baseball)
Rickey Henderson (baseball)
Kent Hrbek (baseball)
"Shoeless" Joe Jackson (baseball)
Reggie Jackson (baseball)
David Justice (baseball)
Wally Joyner (baseball)
Sandy Koufax (baseball)
John Kruk (baseball)
Kenny Lofton (baseball)
Fred Lynn? (baseball)
Kevin Maas (baseball)
John McGras (baseball)
Fred McGriff (baseball)
Heinie Manush (baseball)
Dave Martinez (baseball)
Don Mattingly (baseball)
Jackie Mitchell (baseball)
Stan Musial (baseball)
Troy O'Leary (baseball)
Paul O'Neil (baseball)
John Olerud (baseball)
Mel Ott (baseball)
Rafael Palmeiro (baseball)
Dan Pasqua (baseball)
Babe Ruth (baseball)
"Neon" Deion Sanders (baseball/Am.football)
Warren Spahn (baseball)
Casey Stengel (baseball)
Darryl Strawberry (baseball)
Lou Whitaker (baseball)
Ted Williams (baseball)
Fernando Valenzuela (baseball)
Tommy Lasorda (baseball manager)

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

(12) Someone who often sports a beard, a chunky knit sweater and a cordouroy jacket with leather arm patches and goes on and on and on about the virtues of real ale - particularly "Harveys" Oh, and works for the civil service!

 

[H block]

Interesting response.

I feel that this is your description of the 'far left'. Read it again, and you could quite easily interpret that as a description of the 'far right' as well. In fact, the 'far left' and the 'far right' have an awful lot in common. As far as I am aware, I don't think there are any 'far left' people on here, and I can only think of one person who is on the 'far right'.

I could be wrong though.

Once again you are correct, you are wrong. Lefties have very little in common with right wingers on any of the major political points. You would find very little common ground betwen the two sides on immigration , taxation , asylum seekers , the merits of imprisonment as a deterant and of course the big one---- capital punishment.Where there is common ground though is how idiots can be recruted to the extremes of either side by newspapers or envy.
I`ll clarify that by pointing out how easy the Mail and other right wing papers influence the ``not so bright`` into thinking that councils like lambeth actually ban the word ``manhole ``or ``other such innocent words from there daily discussions.
Likewise there are lefties who think that Mcdonalds are the greatest evil in the world today and if they can sit up a tree for a few weeks and refrain from washing their dreadlocks for even longer than that then the world will be a better place.

 

[The Large One]

Nope that's my opinion and for somone who spends alot more time on here than me I am royaly chuffed to pieces that I might be part of your silly little "loaded question" thread for you and all your Thatcher Hating sad 40 somthings to gang up like sad old dogs who've had their day I rue the day when the conservative party are returned and anyone who doesnt like it can do a Jim Davidson and go a live in North Korea

I'm 36.

It wasn't a loaded question, it was genuine. I can't help it if you have not formulated a true picture of what you believe your political adversaries to be. You use the phrase 'lefty', I asked you what you mean by it. That's all.

Oh, and 'rue' means 'regret'. Somehow, I don't think you'll be rueing a return to power of a Conservative government. However, I REALLY wish Jim Davidson did go to North Korea.

 

[The Large One]

Once again you are correct, you are wrong. Lefties have very little in common with right wingers on any of the major political points. You would find very little common ground betwen the two sides on immigration , taxation , asylum seekers , the merits of imprisonment as a deterant and of course the big one---- capital punishment.Where there is common ground though is how idiots can be recruted to the extremes of either side by newspapers or envy.
I`ll clarify that by pointing out how easy the Mail and other right wing papers influence the ``not so bright`` into thinking that councils like lambeth actually ban the word ``manhole ``or ``other such innocent words from there daily discussions.
Likewise there are lefties who think that Mcdonalds are the greatest evil in the world today and if they can sit up a tree for a few weeks and refrain from washing their dreadlocks for even longer than that then the world will be a better place.

Largely, I agree. But again, you are pointing out the follies on the extreme ends of the political spectrum.

I suspect people who use the term 'lefties' derogatorally on here seem to refer to the unwashed tree-huggers (the kind of people I can't even begin to associate with), but in truth they don't refer to anyone on here.

 

[H block]

Largely, I agree. But again, you are pointing out the follies on the extreme ends of the political spectrum.

I suspect people who use the term 'lefties' derogatorally on here seem to refer to the unwashed tree-huggers (the kind of people I can't even begin to associate with), but in truth they don't refer to anyone on here.

Spot on. Could you honestly compare someone like the journalist Paul Foot who I personally have a lot of respect for (nailing my colours to the mast here ) with one of the rioters at any of the G8 conferences of the last few years. Both left wingers but both `tarnished` with the term lefties from the right.
For the record I agree with some of the tree huggers sentiments but I can`t get my head round the fact that they never seem to have to go to work, but then maybe I should just accept that conservation actifism is in fact a full time job.
So I admit it I am a leftie.
But I could`nt tell an elm from a larch.

 

[DJ Leon]

Lefties are people who always know the RIGHT answer to everything. They believe that they do no wrong and it is always the blame of others, c.f. 4x4s. They harbour guilt for things they know little about and happened long ago in the past. They think change for changes sake is a good thing and they always know the best way to change things. They believe that if you repeat something often enough it becomes the truth. They have an irrational phobia concerning people who disagree with their ideas. Lefties hate things that they do not understand and exhibit the same characteristics that they dispise in others when presented with anything they dissaprove of. They are the sort of people who become gaurds at concentration camps or joined the Stasi. The list continues ad infinitum.

Yes, it is a perjorative term because it essentially describes people who have closed minds and do not question the world about them or their understanding of it. They are like the catholic Church in the middle ages.

Great historical examples here!

Mention guards at concentration camp and everyone always assume lefties are involved, don't they?

And the Catholic church of the middle ages was a hotbed of left leaning thought, wasn't it?

This whole definition could have been boiled down to the words 'people who disagree with me'.

 

[DJ Leon]

Largely, I agree. But again, you are pointing out the follies on the extreme ends of the political spectrum.

I suspect people who use the term 'lefties' derogatorally on here seem to refer to the unwashed tree-huggers (the kind of people I can't even begin to associate with), but in truth they don't refer to anyone on here.

I think the term 'leftie' is probably used as a pejorative term for anyone vaguely (or even associated with) the left wing. I don't think it has any true definition.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

I am genuinely curious.

Yes. Yes you are.

 

[Billy the Fish]

I suspect people who use the term 'lefties' derogatorally on here seem to refer to the unwashed tree-huggers (the kind of people I can't even begin to associate with), but in truth they don't refer to anyone on here.

I think you're barking up the wrong tree here (pun intended) I don't think anyone thinks of tree huggers. I think of lefties now as being well educated, probably at university and having a good job, the civil service and the media seem to be the 'lefties'' favourite occupation.
They feel guilty about their wealth and want to help the under privileged and the minorities, people who weren't as fortunate as them. That gives them the moral highground because helping others must be good, therefore they think they are always right. They have a utopian view of the world, live and let live, peace to all men. They use their government and media jobs to preech their view and try to enforce their values on the rest of us. Anyone who disagrees with them is shouted down as a fascist and a racist. Thatcher is the enemy, but the fact that Thatchers policies have helped create their lifesyle and well paid job only adds to the guilt

 

[chip]

Great historical examples here!

Mention guards at concentration camp and everyone always assume lefties are involved, don't they?

And the Catholic church of the middle ages was a hotbed of left leaning thought, wasn't it?

This whole definition could have been boiled down to the words 'people who disagree with me'.

Thank you, I am glad that you liked those examples. I don't think you have understood my post, though you have behaved in the manner of a lefty in your response.

Did I say that the medieval catholic church was lefty? Did I say that ALL guards at concentration camps were? But, as you obviously know the answers to everything and can discard all the views that you don't like as wrong, who am I to argue?

 

[DJ Leon]

Thank you, I am glad that you liked those examples. I don't think you have understood my post, though you have behaved in the manner of a lefty in your response.

Did I say that the medieval catholic church was lefty? Did I say that ALL guards at concentration camps were? But, as you obviously know the answers to everything and can discard all the views that you don't like as wrong, who am I to argue?

And you have proved my point. I disagreed with you and am therefore considered a leftie.

Please go ahead and explain your historical examples. Let's really get down to what you meant by your suggestion that lefties are the kind of people who became concentration camp guards. Prove to me that it wasn't absolute gibberish as I first thought.

Maybe we could create a poll to see if most people agree or disagree with you.

 

[looney]

And another thing.
People who refer to the Labour government as a left wing government.

Hello ? Which bit exactly is left wing ?

Increased taxes and regulations

tougher gun controlls.

attacks on blood sports

Legalised gay adoptions/civil marrages.

conceding more soveriegnty to the EU.

About to legalise father free IVF.

Tax neutral on family policy/No benefit from marrage.

Devolution of labour fiefdoms.

Grovelling to foreigners, pissing on the British.

Putting labour party members in charge of the BBC.

Forcing Railtrack to go bust.

Underselling the Gold Reserves.

Running an overtly feminist agenda on Tax credits.

Electrall reform increasing corruption.

Oh and when did positive discrimination become legal?

 

[looney]

I always though lefty was an anglo-saxon abreviation like tory, Geordie etc and not specifically Derogatory. Some people here are a tad over sensative me thinks, Probably the lefties.


You should think yourselves lucky. As the standard default response to questioning immigration is Racist/Nazi(Hello LI ) your lucky your not all refered to as commies or Gulag guards.


This topics stuffed full of lefties posting in here.

 

[chip]

And you have proved my point. I disagreed with you and am therefore considered a leftie.

Please go ahead and explain your historical examples. Let's really get down to what you meant by your suggestion that lefties are the kind of people who became concentration camp guards. Prove to me that it wasn't absolute gibberish as I first thought.

Maybe we could create a poll to see if most people agree or disagree with you.

I have not proved any point other than you are incapable of forming a reasoned and logical arguement - and you have really done that yourself.

I said that you responded in the manner of a lefty. I did not say that you were a lefty. If you cannot understand that difference then I think that there is little chance of ever explaining anything to you as you will understand what you want rather than what is said.

With regard to the concentration camp example, I think that you will find that there have been many people who unthinkingly supported a corrupt ideology and found themselves in that position. Ask anyone with Volga German heritage or read some Solzhenitsyn for examples. The catholic church had a very similar attitude to dissent from the accepted orthodoxy.

I notice that you don't like to answer questions, only ask them. Do you have any opinions of your own?

 

[DJ Leon]

I have not proved any point other than you are incapable of forming a reasoned and logical arguement - and you have really done that yourself.

I said that you responded in the manner of a lefty. I did not say that you were a lefty. If you cannot understand that difference then I think that there is little chance of ever explaining anything to you as you will understand what you want rather than what is said.

With regard to the concentration camp example, I think that you will find that there have been many people who unthinkingly supported a corrupt ideology and found themselves in that position. Ask anyone with Volga German heritage or read some Solzhenitsyn for examples. The catholic church had a very similar attitude to dissent from the accepted orthodoxy.

I notice that you don't like to answer questions, only ask them. Do you have any opinions of your own?

Withering stuff indeed Chip. I'm wounded.

However, I'm simply seeking justification for your incredible assertion that 'lefties':

are the sort of people who become gaurds at concentration camps

This is a spectacular bit of nonsense. I dare say there have been leftie concentration camp guards. There have also been right-wing ones. Lots of them. There have been German ones and British ones. Fascist ones and Communist ones. Fat ones, thin ones. Tall ones, short ones. What in GOD's name is your point.

You said in your defence:

I think that you will find that there have been many people who unthinkingly supported a corrupt ideology and found themselves in that position

Of course this is true, but I'm afraid it doesn't reduce the dumbness of your original statement.

 

[The Large One]

Increased taxes and regulations

tougher gun controlls.

attacks on blood sports

Legalised gay adoptions/civil marrages.

conceding more soveriegnty to the EU.

About to legalise father free IVF.

Tax neutral on family policy/No benefit from marrage.

Devolution of labour fiefdoms.

Grovelling to foreigners, pissing on the British.

Putting labour party members in charge of the BBC.

Forcing Railtrack to go bust.

Underselling the Gold Reserves.

Running an overtly feminist agenda on Tax credits.

Electrall reform increasing corruption.

Oh and when did positive discrimination become legal?

Funniest post of the day.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

I shall attempt to define a "leftie" by describing a very good mate of mine. We have known each other for 10 years and worked together for the last 4. He is a totally genuine, lovely guy but in MY opinion a complete nutter, and I tell him so.

So what is a leftie?

(1) Someone who HATES Margaret Thatcher to such an extent that they are almost unable to mention her name without being sick.
(2) Someone who LOVES Ken Livingstone and everything he stands for, particularly the fact that he only travels by public transport and hates the Evening Standard.
(3) Someone who is so politically correct that they agree that "Baa Baa black sheep" may offend ethnic minorities and should be recited as "Baa Baa Green sheep"- This happens in nursery schools in Brighton.
(4) Someone, who, if they had their way, would have us all cycling or using public transport, as the motor car is the work of the devil. Oh, and they particularly hate 4 x 4's
(5) Someone who will go out of their way to eat lunch at an organic veggie cafe to show their disgust at unhealthy"junk food" outlets but will happily end the meal with a roll up.
(6) Someone who will ram their political ideology down your throat but not be prepared to alter their views no matter how structured your argument may be.
(7) Someone who thinks unlimited immigration into the UK enriches our gene pool, and is not harmful to the indigenous population in any way, shape or form
(8) Someone who considers themself intellectual and makes sure that you know it.
(9) Someone who has a loathing of Daily Mail readers without really knowing why, but probably because Ken does.
(10) Someone who is intelligent, generally well meaning, with everyones best interests at heart, but is generally out of touch with the real world (Viscount Stansgate?)

These are my views on the question posed and do not mean that I resent "lefties", as I said, my mate is one. I just find him slightly aggravating and annoying, but then he feels the same way about me! [/QUOTE

I find that I feel I have something in common with points 1 and 9 but the rest I happen to disagree with, so perhaps my politics are not left wing then?

 

[The Large One]

I think you're barking up the wrong tree here (pun intended) I don't think anyone thinks of tree huggers. I think of lefties now as being well educated, probably at university and having a good job, the civil service and the media seem to be the 'lefties'' favourite occupation.
They feel guilty about their wealth and want to help the under privileged and the minorities, people who weren't as fortunate as them. That gives them the moral highground because helping others must be good, therefore they think they are always right. They have a utopian view of the world, live and let live, peace to all men. They use their government and media jobs to preech their view and try to enforce their values on the rest of us. Anyone who disagrees with them is shouted down as a fascist and a racist. Thatcher is the enemy, but the fact that Thatchers policies have helped create their lifesyle and well paid job only adds to the guilt

I still think you're referring to hippies.

That's a fairly narrow view of people with left-wing views. There are many who do not have the education, financial security or career prospects but do have left of centre political views. Largely, you appear to be referring to white, middle-class people. Also, the people I think you are referring to have a far from Utopian vision of the world. Quite the opposite.

Oh, and Thatcher hated public services, so if they work in the civil service or for the BBC, she certainly wouldn't have created those particular policies which made them financially comfortable.