So what is Dean Wilkins thinking?

[sten_super]

Fair enough if you want to keep discussing it, but it seems to me that we're not discussing it at all. You have a group of people on one side who are 'in the know' to some degree and back the decision, you have another group of people on one side who are 'in the know' to some degree and are against the decision. Both have their reasons, but cannot disclose them. Everyone else is somewhere on either side, with both repeating their view ad infinitum until it becomes more of a mantra.

If you want to say 'DK got it wrong because this is where we are now', I think that's a worthwhile discussion, because there is some fact to it; we can clearly see the position the team is in, and look at why. Simply infinitely repeating 'well I think DK did the right thing' 'No he didn't Wilkins was a god' back and forth does not to me seem to progress the discussion.

But hey ho it's just my opinion!

Without any facts, IMO, it's just not a 'discussion' worth having.

So...[in dragon's den style] that is why I am OUT.

 

[Brovion]

Fair enough if you want to keep discussing it, but it seems to me that we're not discussing it at all. You have a group of people on one side who are 'in the know' to some degree and back the decision, you have another group of people on one side who are 'in the know' to some degree and are against the decision. Both have their reasons, but cannot disclose them. Everyone else is somewhere on either side, with both repeating their view ad infinitum until it becomes more of a mantra.

If you want to say 'DK got it wrong because this is where we are now', I think that's a worthwhile discussion, because there is some fact to it; we can clearly see the position the team is in, and look at why. Simply infinitely repeating 'well I think DK did the right thing' 'No he didn't Wilkins was a god' back and forth does not to me seem to progress the discussion.

But hey ho it's just my opinion!

Without any facts, IMO, it's just not a 'discussion' worth having.

So...[in dragon's den style] that is why I am OUT.

I do see your point, in some respects it is a bit like debating England's third goal in 1966 or Gordon Smith's miss in 1983. They happened, they're in the past, discussing them won't change the outcome, etc. The difference with those events is we know all the facts, we can all see exactly what happened; I think it's the sheer lack of facts and their replacement by guesswork and insinuation that's keeping the debate going. In that repect TLO's comment has certainly given the whole debate a new lease of life.

 

[Seagull73]

Can somebody in this absolute car crash of a debate enlighten me as to what the bloody-hell difference it will make if TLO or anybody else does reveal what they think 'they know'?

Really, Alan's view is because he's dug around and asked questions. And he is quite clear that his view is based on that - NOT FACT - as some people seem to pass their opinions off as.

If you want to be in the know, go and ask questions, get yourself into the office of the Chief Exec or the Chairman, it isn't as hard as you think it might be. But for crying out loud, this endless f***ing debate on Wilkins is getting so so tiresome - and ultimately it will mean absolutely nothing now, so what the hell is the point - REALLY?

 

[e77]

I really do think this is a red herring. It would seem that DW was got rid of because of 'non-coaching' reasons. Agree with it or not it happened and we will never know how DW would have got on this season.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

But that's something to consider while he reflects on his at-times appalling behaviour while he had a chance to do something about it. For me, he is the architect of his own downfall.

QUOTE]

But if his behaviour was so 'appalling' why was he offered another job within the Club?

If his behaviour was so 'appalling' then he would have been sacked, end of.

Still doesn't add up.

 

[Lokki 7]

Agree with it or not it happened and we will never know how DW would have got on this season.

I think that is the one thing we CAN all agree on. The answer being, 'Better than this'.

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

I really do think this is a red herring. It would seem that DW was got rid of because of 'non-coaching' reasons. Agree with it or not it happened and we will never know how DW would have got on this season.

he would have been hard pressed to have done worse

 

[Lokki 7]

To be fair there's even no guarantee of that is there. Could well have been sacked by Xmas after a dismal run, or on the flip side could be topping the league....

...we will never know will we.

No, you're wrong. I DO KNOW. Can't tell you how though.

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

Can somebody in this absolute car crash of a debate enlighten me as to what the bloody-hell difference it will make if TLO or anybody else does reveal what they think 'they know'?

Really, Alan's view is because he's dug around and asked questions. And he is quite clear that his view is based on that - NOT FACT - as some people seem to pass their opinions off as.

If you want to be in the know, go and ask questions, get yourself into the office of the Chief Exec or the Chairman, it isn't as hard as you think it might be. But for crying out loud, this endless f***ing debate on Wilkins is getting so so tiresome - and ultimately it will mean absolutely nothing now, so what the hell is the point - REALLY?

no need for you to get involved then is there? If you have nothing to say on the matter, you should run along and play somewhere else. As mentioned earlier, this IS a BRIGHTON FANS forum - so you might expect some discussion on B&HA goings on.....

 

[Silent Bob]

Probably thinking how lovely the weather is.

 

[Seagull73]

no need for you to get involved then is there? If you have nothing to say on the matter, you should run along and play somewhere else. As mentioned earlier, this IS a BRIGHTON FANS forum - so you might expect some discussion on B&HA goings on.....

Yes you would do well to listen to yourself - BRIGHTON FANS..! You're doing a good job of masquerading as one.

Unless you hadn't noticed, Dean Wilkins is nothing to do with Brighton and Hove Albion now, and hasn't done for getting on for 10 months, so actually, this is nothing to do with Brighton and Hove Albion.

This discussion is a few individuals crusade to publicly undermine those in power at B&HA - not anything the club are even interested in getting involved in - so it's not B&HA 'goings on' as you like to put it.

 

[Lokki 7]

Unless you hadn't noticed, Dean Wilkins is nothing to do with Brighton and Hove Albion now, and hasn't done for getting on for 10 months,

Does this mean we can only discuss club employees? No more mentions of Zamora, Leon Knight, Scott McGleish, Nobby Horton, Peter Ward or that Downs Syndrome virgin kiddie who's after a shag? Blimey, it's gonna get mighty dull round here soon.

 

[glasfryn]

I personally don't give a flying wotsit what he's thinking. He's not involved any more - & it's down to the players to get their sorry arses onto the pitch on Saturday & show some pride in themselves; their profession; the club they allegedly play for; & most of all us long-suffering supporters who give-it-our-all for The Albion - & too often end up looking & feeling like complete mugs.

good post
I liked the bloke but he is gone FACT and he can't do anything to help us out of this bloody awful predicament.

we need 5 wins from somewhere 3 points on Saturday would be a nice start.
And the fat lady is clearing her throat.

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

Yes you would do well to listen to yourself - BRIGHTON FANS..! You're doing a good job of masquerading as one.

Unless you hadn't noticed, Dean Wilkins is nothing to do with Brighton and Hove Albion now, and hasn't done for getting on for 10 months, so actually, this is nothing to do with Brighton and Hove Albion.

This discussion is a few individuals crusade to publicly undermine those in power at B&HA - not anything the club are even interested in getting involved in - so it's not B&HA 'goings on' as you like to put it.

Ha ha, that has actually made me laugh....what does that post actually mean ? I am masquerading a a Brighton Fan for 30 years....ok.....

Peter Ward has NOTHING to do with Brighton and Hove Albion now....are we allowed to talk about him ? How about Belotti, Archer ? How about Steve Gatting ? How about Liam Brady ? Are we NOT ALLOWED to discuss anyone that has left the club ? How Ludicrous!

by the way - do you actually think the club give a toss about a few people discussing Dean Wilkins on NSC ? I very much doubt it.

 

[Brovion]

Yes you would do well to listen to yourself - BRIGHTON FANS..! You're doing a good job of masquerading as one.

Unless you hadn't noticed, Dean Wilkins is nothing to do with Brighton and Hove Albion now, and hasn't done for getting on for 10 months, so actually, this is nothing to do with Brighton and Hove Albion.

This discussion is a few individuals crusade to publicly undermine those in power at B&HA - not anything the club are even interested in getting involved in - so it's not B&HA 'goings on' as you like to put it.

Wrong. It has EVERYTHING to do with Brighton and Hove ALbion. Not only, as others have pointed out, is it ridiculous to have a 'statute of limitiations' on what we can and can't discuss but where we are now is as a direct result of the Wilkins sacking - therefore it IS something to do with the current situation.

And far from this being a crusade by certain people to undermine those in power at BHA I think it's the exact opposite - certain fans are trying to paint the board in a favourable light by a constant and continuous blackening of Wilkins' name and a belittling of his achievments.

Anyway, I'm bored of it (for today). For the record I used to be a big Dick Knight fan and club 'licker' until this season. Now, until I find out 'the truth' I can't help thinking that Dick Knight is a egotistical, senile half-wit, the board haven't got a clue, the club is abysmally run and the Chief Executive is a useless tosser. Just my opinion based on what I've observed as a fan.

 

[The Large One]

Anyway, I'm bored of it (for today). For the record I used to be a big Dick Knight fan and club 'licker' until this season. Now, until I find out 'the truth' I can't help thinking that Dick Knight is a egotistical, senile half-wit, the board haven't got a clue, the club is abysmally run and the Chief Executive is a useless tosser. Just my opinion based on what I've observed as a fan.

By your own admission, you don't know what's going on at the club, so on that basis you wish to utterly damn the way the club is being run based on observations from afar?

Got you.

 

[Pavilionaire]

I have one question for one of those people in the know:

If the reason Knight had to sack Wilkins as manager is so bad then why was he offered the coaches job at that same time?

The only reason for this that could make ANY sort of sense is that Knight /the board found some financial irregularity, like he'd taken or wanted a bung.

 

[NMH]

That's a crock of shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I actually agree that Wikins was doing a fantastic job football-wise. But several players have gone on record stating that he was a complete knob, making his dismissal the right decision.

Had he decided to change his attitude, then we could have been in a win-win situation.
He didn't, so unfortunately, he had to go.

Bullshit.

The only players with issues against him, are the ones he wasn't offering new contracts!
Same goes with Adams - the big sympathizers are the lads he lads he rescued from league careers ending.

How about UNbiased statements, eh?

The squad were shocked, and sorry to see Dean Wilkins get the elbow - just like many of us.

 

[British Bulldog]

I hate to think how much sacking Wilkins has cost the club? It would've been a hell of a lot cheaper to give Hammond a decent contract and let Wilkins build a team around him like he wanted too. It was a very poor decision by the club that could be costing us financially for a few years to come.

 

[Mellotron]

The reason this debate continues to rage (and probably will, for a good few months at least) is because there's still something about this that absolutely STINKS.

We have STILL not been given a good reason for his sacking.

Admittedly people would not be talking about this so much if Adams was still here and we were looking at Playoff contention etc, but the fact is we're not, and Wilkin's sacking is what started the wheels of this horrific season in motion.

If it was 15/20 years ago fair enough, let bygones be bygones. But it wasn't, in terms of the club's history it is incredibly recent, and is more pertinent now than ever.

And I really don't think it's right that some posters on here should be talking about it without really talking about it (if you get me, coded messages on here referring to an "incident/misdemeanour") leaving the rest of us who are just as passionate about the club in the dark.

I'm confused as to what could've happened that was so bad for him to be sacked with no explanation yet not harsh enough that they still wanted him to "stick around" as coach.

It leaves us with a very bitter taste in the mouth. Very, very disappointing from the club.