So what is Dean Wilkins thinking?

[BigGully]

Dean Wilkins is probably quite upset at the way things are turning out.

But that's something to consider while he reflects on his at-times appalling behaviour while he had a chance to do something about it. For me, he is the architect of his own downfall.

Sure, Dick could have handled the situation a whole lot better, and no-one really comes out of the whole sorry affair with a too much credit, but for anyone thinking Wilkins didn't deserve to be sacked - think again.

Wow, quite an extreme interpretation.

What exactly was his appalling behaviour that delivered the 7th place and forced the Board, primarily DK to sack him.

If any of his conduct was so bad and validated the sacking, why oh why would he then be offered a critical role within the club as first team coach, surely any appalling behaviour would disqualify him from that post too.

You see there was no appalling behaviour, embezzlement of funds or a drugs or sex scandal with Wilkins.

Wilkin's simply felt that DK role was to reasonably support his manager that was showing signs of some progress.

When Wilkins pointed out that he was not getting that support, then yes there was a disagreement, nothing too sinister and something that could of been sorted out.

But now DK's ego felt a little bruised, no more sinister then that.

So he fired his manager, got in Celebrity X Factor Manager and spent a small fortune and failed miserably.

 

[itszamora]

Wow, quite an extreme interpretation.

What exactly was his appalling behaviour that delivered the 7th place and forced the Board, primarily DK to sack him.

If any of his conduct was so bad and validated the sacking, why oh why would he then be offered a critical role within the club as first team coach, surely any appalling behaviour would disqualify him from that post too.

You see there was no appalling behaviour, embezzlement of funds or a drugs or sex scandal with Wilkins.

Wilkin's simply felt that DK role was to reasonably support his manager that was showing signs of some progress.

When Wilkins pointed out that he was not getting that support, then yes there was a disagreement, nothing too sinister and something that could of been sorted out.

But now DK's ego felt a little bruised, no more sinister then that.

So he fired his manager, got in Celebrity X Factor Manager and spent a small fortune and failed miserably.

Not sure I'd go quite as far as you, but you make a very good point over him being offered a coaching role, indeed surely 'disgraceful' behaviour would rule him out of such a post.

 

[The Large One]

What part of 'he was not sacked because of his coaching abilities' are people so struggling to come to terms with? Of course he was a decent coach. One of the few statements we've ever had from the club about this saga says just that.

As regards the 'more stuff', I'm not posting it on NSC. I appreciate that now puts me in the bhadeb bracket of 'I can't tell you...', but I believe I can cope.

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

What part of 'he was not sacked because of his coaching abilities' are people so struggling to come to terms with? Of course he was a decent coach. One of the few statements we've ever had from the club about this saga says just that.

As regards the 'more stuff', I'm not posting it on NSC. I appreciate that now puts me in the bhadeb bracket of 'I can't tell you...', but I believe I can cope.

still waiting....if you dont want to post your 'inside knowledge' then why keep harping on about it??

 

[The Large One]

still waiting....if you dont want to post your 'inside knowledge' then why keep harping on about it??

Read my post again. I said I will not post it on here.

Not harping on about it, just fed up of reading so many people believing that Wilkins being sacked for taking us to seventh. It is, on so many levels, a ridiculous notion.

 

[itszamora]

Read my post again. I said I will not post it on here.

Not harping on about it, just fed up of reading so many people believing that Wilkins being sacked for taking us to seventh. It is, on so many levels, a ridiculous notion.

Well it's clear that that wasn't the reason for him being sacked, that was the main factor AGAINST him being sacked! As you've said you've now put yourself in the bhadeb bracket, which is sad really because you've never struck me as having an axe to grind which she clearly does. Pathetic, and further proof that those such as yourself do see themselves as 'better' fans because they have inside knowledge that they're happy to brag about but never actually reveal.

 

[Man of Harveys]

He's thinking "I wonder what Josef Fritzl's reading inside that file". I know. He told me.

 

[Lokki 7]

But that's something to consider while he reflects on his at-times appalling behaviour while he had a chance to do something about it.

That is bang out of order. You cannot post that and then refuse to qualify the statement. If you are not prepared to say what this appalling behaviour was then stay out of the argument, you do this on every Wilkins thread so this is not a one off slip of the keyboard.

but for anyone thinking Wilkins didn't deserve to be sacked - think again

Why? I won't until I am presented with an argument or some evidence to make me do so.

 

[The Large One]

Well it's clear that that wasn't the reason for him being sacked, that was the main factor AGAINST him being sacked! As you've said you've now put yourself in the bhadeb bracket, which is sad really because you've never struck me as having an axe to grind which she clearly does. Pathetic, and further proof that those such as yourself do see themselves as 'better' fans because they have inside knowledge that they're happy to brag about but never actually reveal.

Rubbish. I do not and have not seen myself as a better fan. I can only think of one reason in how you can come to this conclusion - that you consider yourself a lesser fan than me. But seeing as that is also bollocks, I admit I have no idea as to how you arrive at that conclusion.

Anything I know is because I have busybodied (is that a real word?) myself in finding out what happened. Is that what you mean by being a 'better' fan? If it is, it still doesn't make sense. I don't know the full story, and have never made out that I do.

But I have heard far too much about this (and all with a common theme) from too many people in many varied positions (as it were) - excellent sources with no axe to grind, incidentally - for it to be the bleatings of a couple of disgruntled individuals.

I am genuinely speaking from a outsider's neutral standpoint here. I have no axe to grind with Dean Wilkins. Really. I met him several times and found him utterly charming at a time when people were still screaming for his head. However, his relationship with me, or my relationship with him is utterly irrelevant as to his relationship with Dick Knight specifically and Brighton & Hove Albion generally. And that is what the issue is.

Sorry you find it pathetic, but it's just that I wince when I read on here when people say that Wilkins was sacked for no reason, or that he was innocent of anything other than being ambitious, or standing up to the board etc.

Go back to my post you quoted, and take note of what I put in bold...

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

Read my post again. I said I will not post it on here.

Not harping on about it, just fed up of reading so many people believing that Wilkins being sacked for taking us to seventh. It is, on so many levels, a ridiculous notion.

you are fed up with people having an opinion on Dean Wilkins sacking ?? Why is it a ridiculous notion ? For the record, you are talking bollocks - check your source mate and please stop all this 'I know' but wont post crap, it is beyond tedious

 

[The Large One]

That is bang out of order. You cannot post that and then refuse to qualify the statement. If you are not prepared to say what this appalling behaviour was then stay out of the argument, you do this on every Wilkins thread so this is not a one off slip of the keyboard.



Why? I won't until I am presented with an argument or some evidence to make me do so.

Actually, I rarely post on the endlessly tedious Wilkins threads. I tend to keep out of it.

But fair enough, if that's what you feel, I'll stay out of it.

 

[BigGully]

What part of 'he was not sacked because of his coaching abilities' are people so struggling to come to terms with? Of course he was a decent coach. One of the few statements we've ever had from the club about this saga says just that.

As regards the 'more stuff', I'm not posting it on NSC. I appreciate that now puts me in the bhadeb bracket of 'I can't tell you...', but I believe I can cope.

To not quite grasp my point that any appalling behaviour that disqualifies him from being the manager would also likely disqualify him from a critical coaching role, is my point.

The term 'appalling' creates a picture of extreme misconduct, that just is not true.

As a footnote, I find it odd that many facets of Wilkins style of management has been twisted to give a distorted view of his abilities.

Usually when a manager is delivering some success, his own style is seen as a positive and his management traits seen as a reason for that success and not a reason for future failure, culminating in an unlikely sacking.

Whilst a team is winning it is normal to accept that the manager's own style is a reason for that success, but some now look at Wilkins management style as flawed even after comparable success, we have kind of re-written football lore.

For example Wilkins decision for a mini clear out, which most would now accept to be more than reasonable has been served up by many as man-management issues, whilst most now might acknowledge a focused ruthless streak which should of been acknowledged as good sound football management.

 

[Lokki 7]

Actually, I rarely post on the endlessly tedious Wilkins threads. I tend to keep out of it.

But fair enough, if that's what you feel, I'll stay out of it.

I don't want you to stay off threads, I want you to convince me that the sacking of DW was justified.

 

[sten_super]

I think it is a bit sad that we have to have these repeated ding-dongs.

I'd imagine that Dean Wilkins is probably feeling a combination of 3 things;
Sadness - that a club that he loved is doing shit
Smugness - that the man that replaced him did so badly
Regret - that things didn't work out differently, for him and the club

I'm not meaning this in any positive or negative way, those are the natural feelings to have at this time.

Can we please please PLEASE stop these repeated arguments amongst people who have different slants and have heard different things from different people but are not prepared to prove anything. Dean Wilkins has gone, hindsight has made it look a bad decision, but the truth is the vast majority of us will never know what happened, and whether it was justified. Just stop it.

 

[Simster]

I don't want you to stay off threads, I want you to convince me that the sacking of DW was justified.

At the end of the day, you KNOW what he did (as do quite a few others) and you have to make your own mind up. But I too would love to know what else TLO thinks he did to deserve the boot, because the "misdemeanor" that was used to justify his sacking by sources close to the club seemed f***ing feeble at the time and look utterly pathetic now in hindsight.

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

Actually, I rarely post on the endlessly tedious Wilkins threads. I tend to keep out of it.

But fair enough, if that's what you feel, I'll stay out of it.

so, you come on this thread - tell us all you know something we dont....something that you WONT POST on here -then get all upset when somebody questions it ? Please stop being such a big girls blouse.

 

[Lokki 7]

Can we please please PLEASE stop these repeated arguments amongst people who have different slants and have heard different things from different people

Apologies sten, I was under the impression that this was a DISCUSSION forum for Brighton fans. My mistake.

 

[Rusthall Seagull]

Apologies sten, I was under the impression that this was a DISCUSSION forum for Brighton fans. My mistake.

incorrect - it is a Brighton fans forum for people 'in the know'.....

 

[Brovion]

I think it is a bit sad that we have to have these repeated ding-dongs.

I'd imagine that Dean Wilkins is probably feeling a combination of 3 things;
Sadness - that a club that he loved is doing shit
Smugness - that the man that replaced him did so badly
Regret - that things didn't work out differently, for him and the club

I'm not meaning this in any positive or negative way, those are the natural feelings to have at this time.

Can we please please PLEASE stop these repeated arguments amongst people who have different slants and have heard different things from different people but are not prepared to prove anything. Dean Wilkins has gone, hindsight has made it look a bad decision, but the truth is the vast majority of us will never know what happened, and whether it was justified. Just stop it.

I agree with most of your points - but not your desire to stop discussing it. It's still relevant and it's still important. If they (the board) can make two appalling decisions in the past they can do it again. I suspect the real 'truth' behind the Wilkins sacking will never come out because it's f***ing pathetic (and no, I don't know the real reason). Probably some things that allied with poor results would have made a good case, but not anything that would stand up on its own. Also it will be things that reflect badly on the club hierarchy - i.e. who was managing Wilkins? He wasn't on the board so he reported to somebody - why weren't they fired as well? Or offered alternative redeployment as caffine executives?

Just editing to say that I suppose the one saving grace is, looking at Yeovil, we're not the only club run by incompetent fuckwits who'll cut of their nose to spite their face. I wonder why they sacked Slade?

 

[crasher]

Actually, I rarely post on the endlessly tedious Wilkins threads. I tend to keep out of it.

But fair enough, if that's what you feel, I'll stay out of it.

Please do. I don't know if you're a self-appointed club spokesman or if they pay you for it but you're always all over these threads insinuating things about Wilkins without producing any evidence. You're not the only one to be fair but it's tedious.