So, over 700 dead......

[Megazone]

you've given up immediately; are you sure you are tapped into an all powerful entity?

Nope. I just have faith.

 

[rogersix]

presumably not. so there is another force, one capable of over powering your God and his will. i would curious to know what this deity is.

me.

 

[rogersix]

The thing is, he could force us to accept his love but does forcing come from a place of love?



Hmm you see, I believe that there is a purpose but if it's God's purpose then my interpretation is probably pretty basic. My version is something like this. We were made in his image which for me is that we once were "like" God, I mean had his attributes like unconditional love etc. and didn't even know what things outside love were, like anger, hate etc. We were amazing, so amazing we wanted to go and do our own thing. However God (obviously) knew what would happen. It wouldn't take us long to create a mess. So we were given a "homing beacon", some part of us that knows where home is and would long to get there. We then had many many experiences but in the course of this we dirtied ourselves, turned away and covered that part of ourselves, that homing beacon that is protected from us damaging it.

Ultimately what we need to do is just accept God's love completely and utterly. The trouble is parts of us don't want to. However one day we will and we will then choose to return and all our suffering and pain will be over.

Now God could force us to accept his love but then what would happen? It wouldn't have been our choice so we would soon want to leave again.

i would not reject being forced into a life without anything negative, why would you?

 

[rogersix]

It's not a deity, it's us. Why is it overpowering God?

because it happens; eh?

 

[Megazone]

i would not reject being forced into a life without anything negative, why would you?

because it happens; eh?

you've given up immediately; are you sure you are tapped into an all powerful entity?

yes; god is love, god created all things

eh?

 

[rogersix]

i didnt claim there were rules, you infered it. for a God to allow pain and suffering, then expect others to counter that, seems like a game to me. your God is a petty and malicious one so far, love me or suffer seems to be the message. you want to claim "we" create all the badness, i dont see what anyone has done to create the afflicted child's condition. as above, this gives us far too much power. unless you are refering to original sin, in which case you are saying all the ills of the world are on someones actions 8000 (or what ever) years ago. thats a vindictive God you have there.

thanks for having a go, ultimately your God is powerless and malevolent, despite the claim of wanting to love us. this is clearly a fundemental contradiction, ergo, it does not exist. maybe try another definition.

i think you're pretty much on the ball fellah, but could i ever so humbly suggest the phrase passive aggressive?

 

[One Love]

who is it that's demanding to go out and experience "being"? your story is contrived to fit the conclusion, not starting from a real position.

even if a few did, why apply it wholesale to everyone, when you could allow those that want this to go on their merry way, while protecting those accepting a life free of suffering. and then why suffering outside of mankind, is that for our benefit too? I'd like you to ask yourself seriously, why does your God want a mother who's done nothing wrong in life to give birth to a deformed child. who is this suffering in aid of: the mother, the child, the rest of mankind?

My story was like a parable as I assume you know.

I've tried to translate spiritual matters to the level of your brain which you still refuse to understand. I'll give up which I think was probably your intention in the first place anyway.

 

[One Love]

You know you could have saved yourself 10 years of meditation and just watched a few Russell Brand Youtubes and some Beatles interviews from the late '60's to come to the same 6th form humanities studies conclusion.

Nibble trying to take the intellectual high ground

 

[rogersix]

Oh dear, I did wonder how long the conversation would take for you to descend into that

The problem seems to be that your "God" you give human characteristics and attributes.

he is human, so he can only comprehend the universe through the human "prism". love is a human emotion or attribute. god is love.

 

[Megazone]

god is love.

Exactly.

 

[rogersix]

The thing is you can have the greatest power in existence but if you disconnect yourself from it then the only other alternative is for God to wield that power. Would you accept God's power and be happy about it? The thing is "power" has negative connotations to us for obvious reasons. God's power, with no negativity attached to it, is love.

Let's hope that man eventually realises that we have made a monumental mess of things and starts treating each other with love and respect, then we may not destroy each other altogether

we can only live in harmony when the vast majority realise that there is no "overlord", we are all we've got

 

[rogersix]

Why do people need to argue about God? Aren't people allowed to choose what to believe anymore?

because religious folk sometimes make some REALLY bad decisions directly stemming from their faith, and then sensible people have to clear up the mess

 

[rogersix]

What do you mean by anymore? Historically we had no choice but to believe.

you could be burnt alive

 

[Megazone]

because religious folk sometimes make some REALLY bad decisions directly stemming from their faith, and then sensible people have to clear up the mess

Do you see Onelove and I as religious?

 

[rogersix]

It seems unless you're atheist. People will want to challenge your inner faith until.....Well it never ends.

If an athiest is so content about their faith in coincidence. Why do they feel so strongly about arguing with people who have faith in spirituality?

all the resultant death is one thing

 

[Megazone]

all the resultant death is one thing

Do you really think people join the Army because of God?

I take it God dropped the Hiroshima bomb too?

 

[rogersix]

I can understand how experiences like that would make you question certain things about religion. There's no harm choosing not to believe. I myself spent a large part of my life questioning religion and God. None of it seemed to make sense other than the 'be nice' bits. I still think its madness that people fight in the name of God and I too would never join a religion. God to me is a personal thing. If I walk past a car crash or hear of a disaster somewhere on the other side of the world, I'll ask God to help them. I don't see the harm?

because medecine, food, blankets, tents, and helicopters would help a lot more

 

[rogersix]

Because energy is neither created or destroyed. I'm a believer in reincarnation.

what were you before you were megazone then? and what will you be next?

 

[Megazone]

because medecine, food, blankets, tents, and helicopters would help a lot more

and you expect me to supply that?

 

[rogersix]

Right, I take your point, If only it were that simple.

The "celestial" forgiveness would not absolve you from responsibility in the immediate surroundings on earth.

And secondly, on the saying you're sorry partfor the other-worldly bit, you have to mean it, be believed and even then it might not work.

Having said that, this is not an area that takes up a great deal of my thought. You have to "do things right" down here, and that is whether it is going to war with Iraq or stealing an OAP's purse.

is that war immoral in you opinion?