symyjym
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Yep, at best God is a word for collective human consciousness.
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Yep, at best God is a word for collective human consciousness.
Guerrero
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Because we are God.
Everything that happens in our lives is our choice.
It is a part of our journey which the Earthbound part is a very small piece of.
It's a fun part because we get to do sex,drink beer and watch football,but it is just a millisecond compared to what we are doing and where we are really going..
Well my belief is that we are part of everything that is God but I don't think we are God literally. There is a difference.
I agree that our life is an extension of our highest consciousness, who we really are.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 36,015
a bit of basic deduction. if God wants us to have an experience based on unconditional love, with compassion, joy, peace, calm and so on, and there is pain, diesese, in mankind and in the rest of nature, it follow your God's will has been overpowered. if you are saying we are responsible for everything, even that we have no control or even sight of, you've diminished your God's power to a very low threshold. or frankly non existant, as man clear cannot control much in nature, despite our endevour.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 36,015
i didnt claim there were rules, you infered it. for a God to allow pain and suffering, then expect others to counter that, seems like a game to me. your God is a petty and malicious one so far, love me or suffer seems to be the message. you want to claim "we" create all the badness, i dont see what anyone has done to create the afflicted child's condition. as above, this gives us far too much power. unless you are refering to original sin, in which case you are saying all the ills of the world are on someones actions 8000 (or what ever) years ago. thats a vindictive God you have there.
thanks for having a go, ultimately your God is powerless and malevolent, despite the claim of wanting to love us. this is clearly a fundemental contradiction, ergo, it does not exist. maybe try another definition.
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The thing is you can have the greatest power in existence but if you disconnect yourself from it then the only other alternative is for God to wield that power. Would you accept God's power and be happy about it? The thing is "power" has negative connotations to us for obvious reasons. God's power, with no negativity attached to it, is love.
Let's hope that man eventually realises that we have made a monumental mess of things and starts treating each other with love and respect, then we may not destroy each other altogether
Oh dear, I did wonder how long the conversation would take for you to descend into that
The problem seems to be that your "God" you give human characteristics and attributes.
AlbionPics&SouthCoastTwit
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For sure. Europeans would never let 700 people die of a certain religion. 6 million of a certain religion but never as little as 700.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 36,015
Oh dear, I did wonder how long the conversation would take for you to descend into that
The problem seems to be that your "God" you give human characteristics and attributes.
i allowed you to set the definition, remember. you gave it the characteristis, not me. i understand that you cant challenge any of the points, because your faith prevents you from accepting the logical conclusions.
pastafarian
Well-known member
ah I see your little story says if you pray God will help you out and in this case god sent a boat and a helicopter after a prayer request.
This makes sense as the bible says
Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
Mark 11:24
If you are an amputee and you desire your limbs back and pray for them back why does god and the jesus geezer ignore these specific prayers…..If you can build a universe im sure you can pop someones legs back on,cant be that hard when you created man in the first place can it?
In the whole of mankinds history god or his sidekick jesus hasn’t done this once at all
perhaps god and his lad just hate disabled people……they do refuse to cure amputees for some bizarre reason
pastafarian
Well-known member
well you have rejected the thousands of Gods that came before the god of Abraham
how did you disprove the existence of them?
was it simply you thought they sounded like a load of b@llocks,
I've had a chance to sleep on it and maybe I didn't explain myself well enough.
Here's a scenario
A being----------------------- God
"Father I want to leave" "Why, I love you"
"But all I know is your love, I want to do my own thing and experience what it's like away from your love." "OK but when you leave you are going to be pure and others who have left before you, will want your power"
So he leaves, gets into trouble and God can't bear to see him suffer so heals all his pain. He leaves again, gets into trouble, God saves him, repeat, repeat repeat etc for millennia
"Stop that. Why are you interfering. How can I truly understand how much you love me if I don't experience being without it." "But I love you and I don't want to see you suffer"
"Let me experience on my terms and I will clean up my own mess. If I get into a real mess I'll turn to you and accept your love" "But when things go wrong that you've created you won't understand and blame me"
" And when you think I haven't helped you, you'll hate me and call me malevolent."
"How do you know that?" "Just a guess"
" I have to find out for myself even if it means I might get lost" " I am confident my love is strong enough that when you have experienced enough and you get lost you will turn back to me"
" And my love will guide you back home."
Something like that.
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I didn't choose a God, I didn't follow what someone else told me to do, I started feeling and experiencing.
Megazone
On his last warning
Great point. From now on I'd rather believe life is just one massive coincidence.
symyjym
Banned
Said the Cardinal to the Pope.
Pardon?? That sounds like a comment made out of complete ignorance to me. Quite the opposite is true.
So which part of committing a crime, saying sorry, being forgiven instantly and then you get into heaven, isn't absolving yourself of accountability/responsibility?
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 36,015
who is it that's demanding to go out and experience "being"? your story is contrived to fit the conclusion, not starting from a real position.
even if a few did, why apply it wholesale to everyone, when you could allow those that want this to go on their merry way, while protecting those accepting a life free of suffering. and then why suffering outside of mankind, is that for our benefit too? I'd like you to ask yourself seriously, why does your God want a mother who's done nothing wrong in life to give birth to a deformed child. who is this suffering in aid of: the mother, the child, the rest of mankind?
symyjym
Banned
Kemy is always thanking God. Then again I might do too if I got paid £1m for sitting on my ar5e.
MattBackHome
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- Jul 7, 2003
- 11,873
None of the arguments to absolve god of our suffering stand up to the slightest scrutiny. Bad things happen because we brought it on ourselves, and he's unable to help? Then he's no use. He loves us and is watching the whole time, waiting for us to return to him? The idea is abhorrent. It doesn't matter because things will be better when we're dead? **** that.
daveinprague
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Why do people need a god? Praying to a god doesnt seem to do a great deal, considering the amount of praying done with few results, and over the centuries religion has managed to cause quite a bit of grief.