So Gus asked to leave the club in March!

[Postman Pat]

All those surprised by our end of season form after Gus wanted out, could it be that the players believed, rightly or wrongly, that if they got promoted then Gus would stay at the club and wanted to perform for him?

Then when we did make the play-off's Gus said he was off anyway and that contributed to the lack of vigour from all parties on that fateful night at the Amex?

 

[leigull]

All those surprised by our end of season form after Gus wanted out, could it be that the players believed, rightly or wrongly, that if they got promoted then Gus would stay at the club and wanted to perform for him?

Then when we did make the play-off's Gus said he was off anyway and that contributed to the lack of vigour from all parties on that fateful night at the Amex?

Not really as surely when you get to the play off semi finals, one home win away from Wembley and the chance to go up to the top league and more importantly big wage increases, you'd play to win no matter what your manager's position may be.

 

[DIFFBROOK]

I think all parties are to blame in all of this and noone comes out smelling of roses.

We are told that Gus told Tony that he wanted to leave at the end of the season, or the next day. I therefore dont necessarily buy this angle that Gus had a job lined up in March and so wanted out. If it were Reading or Sunderland then they wanted a new manager immediately, they were not going to wait until the end of the season. So that doesnt fit in with Gus comments.

What it hints at, is a complete breakdown of the relationship Gus had with Paul Barber. Maybe Gus simply found that he couldnt work with barber any more. Infact so sick of working with him, that he woould go the next day.

Obvioulsy I have no way of knowing, but I doubt if Gus was overly excited at working with Barber due to his past connections with the Spurs sacking. Maybe this just festered and the boil burst in March of this year.

I dont think Gus, is blameless either. His constant touting for Premier league jobs and his love for Leeds United was very wrong, given that he was manager of Brighton. Of course he wanted to better himself, but those thoughts should have been kept to himself. When asked by the media, he simply could say that he was flattered to be linked, but that he had a very important job to do at BHA. At least it shows respect for BHA.

Then finally, the sacking of Gus. Maybe it wasnt actually done on air, but the press release definately was. It was certainly designed to at least embarrass Gus and must have been sanctioned by Barber.

Gus has gone. Maybe Barber should go as well.

 

[Insel affe]

Before the Palace game unforgivable, and you just know he did not motivate the players enough for the play offs.

Gus you are nothing to me....

 

[albionite]

I think all parties are to blame in all of this and noone comes out smelling of roses.

We are told that Gus told Tony that he wanted to leave at the end of the season, or the next day. I therefore dont necessarily buy this angle that Gus had a job lined up in March and so wanted out. If it were Reading or Sunderland then they wanted a new manager immediately, they were not going to wait until the end of the season. So that doesnt fit in with Gus comments.

What it hints at, is a complete breakdown of the relationship Gus had with Paul Barber. Maybe Gus simply found that he couldnt work with barber any more. Infact so sick of working with him, that he woould go the next day.

Obvioulsy I have no way of knowing, but I doubt if Gus was overly excited at working with Barber due to his past connections with the Spurs sacking. Maybe this just festered and the boil burst in March of this year.

I dont think Gus, is blameless either. His constant touting for Premier league jobs and his love for Leeds United was very wrong, given that he was manager of Brighton. Of course he wanted to better himself, but those thoughts should have been kept to himself. When asked by the media, he simply could say that he was flattered to be linked, but that he had a very important job to do at BHA. At least it shows respect for BHA.

Then finally, the sacking of Gus. Maybe it wasnt actually done on air, but the press release definately was. It was certainly designed to at least embarrass Gus and must have been sanctioned by Barber.

Gus has gone. Maybe Barber should go as well.

A lot of waffle there. What has Barber got to do with it? Why not wait for the full story to come out before passing judgement. I'm not saying Gus and Barber didn't like each other as I have no clue apart from what people say on here, but Gus had other reasons why he wanted to go. You would have to ask Gus why he chose the time to say he wanted out as it wasn't Reading,also Sunderland had nothing to do with Gus wanting out.

 

[Ernest]

Around the time he called Bloom it was about the same time Rafa had said he was off at the end of the season and Gus was heavily backed at the bookies to be next Chelsea manager

 

[Icy Gull]

Around the time he called Bloom it was about the same time Rafa had said he was off at the end of the season and Gus was heavily backed at the bookies to be next Chelsea manager

Nice bit of fishing ENREST

 

[Lord Bracknell]

A lot of waffle there. What has Barber got to do with it? Why not wait for the full story to come out before passing judgement. I'm not saying Gus and Barber didn't like each other as I have no clue apart from what people say on here, but Gus had other reasons why he wanted to go. You would have to ask Gus why he chose the time to say he wanted out as it wasn't Reading,also Sunderland had nothing to do with Gus wanting out.

It's difficult to imagine that "the full story" will ever come out. I'm certain that the Club will wish to ensure that its version is spun to protect current senior management. If Gus tells his version, he will spin it his way. And I guess both sides will keep battling to frustrate the other party.

 

[albionite]

It's difficult to imagine that "the full story" will ever come out. I'm certain that the Club will wish to ensure that its version is spun to protect current senior management. If Gus tells his version, he will spin it his way. And I guess both sides will keep battling to frustrate the other party.

This is true, but I would imagine more of the story will come out in coming weeks,( my bet is journo's like Andy Naylor know the story and have been asked to sit on it) if what I have been told is correct then what happened lies at Gus's feet. More my point is that you can't blame this on Barber, If you blame Barber then you blame Bloom as Barber is only doing the work he is employed to do. Gus may of not liked Barber so made his mind up that he wanted out but doesn't excuse the timing of when he said he wanted out or the reason why he was sacked.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

I was very much on the Gus bus, pretty much all the way up to the play-off defeat to Palace. And whilst the performance and result were very disappointing, I accept it is part of the experience of being a football fan. But the way Gus conducted himself over the next 48 hours (in word and deed) transformed my view of him to the point that I felt it would be best if he were to move on.

Compare the end of last season with the one 35 years previously; Albion had just missed out on promotion to the highest division in equally heart-breaking fashion. What did the manager do? He stood up in the directors box and publicly declared the club would win promotion the following season. A leader issuing a rallying-cry in the moment of despair and disappointment. Fast-forward 35 years, and in pretty similar circumstances, how does Gus react? He blathers on, to various forms of media, about hitting the roof, about needing to speak to the chairman, about how he isn't going to be here forever, no matter how long a contract he signed. In short, it was all about him, and completely disrespectful of the club and its fans.

I have no problems with a manager or player being ambitious, or harbouring thoughts of moving on to another team; but whilst they are at my club I do expect them to act respectfully toward the club (especially when, as manager, you are effectively the figurehead of the organisation). Poyet failed to do that, and he lost my trust that he was acting in the best interests of the Albion.

Well written, and taken in isolation, what you say about Gus' comments post-play-off is correct. But HOW can you take those comments in isolation? It is almost certain that loads was going on behind the scenes during the previous six weeks or so, and that Gus pretty much knew he had managed his last Brighton game, whether he wanted to stay or not. It is in that context that his comments must be viewed, (even though very few are really aware of what exactly that context is).

For the revelations presented on this thread I view it simply thus - Gus let TB know he wanted to move on at the end of the season; TB reacted badly to this. A souring relationship worsened.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Different journos will no doubt be in possession of different versions of the story. It's how journalism works.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Maybe when push come to shove Gus refused to walk.

You mean he might have wanted to STAY? well that would confuse a lot of people on here

 

[Icy Gull]

You mean he might have wanted to STAY? well that would confuse a lot of people on here

The fact that he no longer had a job to go, so changed his mind by season's end, may have confused others

 

[Ali_rrr]

I think all parties are to blame in all of this and noone comes out smelling of roses.

What has Nooney got to do with this?

 

[Langley]

This is true, but I would imagine more of the story will come out in coming weeks,( my bet is journo's like Andy Naylor know the story and have been asked to sit on it) if what I have been told is correct then what happened lies at Gus's feet. More my point is that you can't blame this on Barber, If you blame Barber then you blame Bloom as Barber is only doing the work he is employed to do. Gus may of not liked Barber so made his mind up that he wanted out but doesn't excuse the timing of when he said he wanted out or the reason why he was sacked.

I think that a point is missed here. I am sure that prior to Barbers appointment, TB would have discussed this with GP, had GP stated that there is no way he could tolerate or work with Barber, and TB went against this, then that would have lead inevitably to a Hornets nest.
I think the Barber issue is an excuse used by people who do not know the real facts.
I may be wrong, but like the rest of you, we will have to wait until the facts emerge, until then it is all speculation.

 

[Biscuit]

Oatway is a ****ing hero.

That's all I'm saying.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

Different journos will no doubt be in possession of different versions of the story. It's how journalism works.

I am personally in possession of several different versions of the story.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Oatway is a ****ing hero.

That's all I'm saying.

If the hints on here are what happened - I would tend to agree.

 

[symyjym]

I think all parties are to blame in all of this and noone comes out smelling of roses.

Then finally, the sacking of Gus. Maybe it wasnt actually done on air, but the press release definately was. It was certainly designed to at least embarrass Gus and must have been sanctioned by Barber.

Gus has gone. Maybe Barber should go as well.

Completely wrong, Gus writes his own headlines, he had five weeks to choose to resign but he left it until the Sunday, the day before the players came back to training.

The club had to stick to this deadline and the fact that he was appearing on the BBC wasn’t designed by the club, but also wasn’t going to stop the club coming to a decision by that specific time.

Gus could have saved himself from any embarrassment, resigned or left by mutual consent, and walked away with his head held high.

The fact that the players were due back on Monday is key to the sacking on Sunday, nothing more than that.

 

[symyjym]

If we had won promotion, would tony have let gus walk away?

Yes, because he had already set his sights on Oscar and his coaching team. If we got promotion we could have afforded to pay him off.