So does Naylor know he signed and is leading up to a big scoop!!!??

[Silent Bob]

All sounds a bit like Darren Currie to me. Leading us on while trying to find something that suits him better, ie something in the north west.

BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | Wrexham | Wrexham miss out on Savage loan

 

[BigGully]

I reckon Derby would settle for 25% of wages paid which is still a serious chunk of money, the benefit would be to put him in the shop window and get him match fit. If he joined Wrexham on a permanent basis they would to negotiate Savages contract, pay him up or let him go. I don't blame Savage for considering his options, he has a young family and all the upheaval makes it complicated. I thing if he did come he would either be an absolute legend or a nightmare but I would certainly take the risk and finally even if we don't get him it gives me a warm feeling knowing we are going for one of the most well known footballers in premiership history

So your view is £6000 + , ok.

But unless Savage's contract is at an end imminently, then how much of a shop window is League 1, he aint going to move unless he can negotiate a package similar to his Derby.

My point was that either way you wrap this up, it was always likely to smash many on heres perception that we actually do have a wage structure.

An excuse that was used to justify previous players leaving the club during Wilkins tenure.

 

[The Large One]

Of course we have a wage structure. If nothing else, it's in Football League regulations.

It's only you and your 'true belief' that keeps telling us ad nauseum that we don't.

 

[Knotty]

But it is a reasonable 'jibe' something that should not be lost on you.

So your view on the following:

a) How much the players club would wish his wages to be subsidided by us, whilst still have to pay a percentage of his wages ?

b) How is Brighton expecting to encourage such a 'high profile' player to the club on his wages without paying a 'small fortune' to strike a deal.

Theres negotiation and negotiation, but your looking at £10,000 minimum to get the deal done, or do you have a negotiation point that makes that unlikely ??

It is only a reasonable jibe if you know exactly what the figures are for Savage and you know what they were for the players you mention. Otherwise it's pure, uninformed speculation. I don't have a view on what figure might be negotiated - how can I have when I'm not in on the negotiations? The same applies to you.

Also the period of the loan has to come into it. Savage for four weeks may be much cheaper than the other contracts were for longer periods.

But whatever you do, please don't waste an opportunity to have a go at the Board.

 

[itszamora]

Even six grand a week is a pretty considerable amount of money for a team like ourselves, surely we can get better value elsewhere?

 

[reigate]

So your view is £6000 + , ok.

But unless Savage's contract is at an end imminently, then how much of a shop window is League 1, he aint going to move unless he can negotiate a package similar to his Derby.

My point was that either way you wrap this up, it was always likely to smash many on heres perception that we actually do have a wage structure.

An excuse that was used to justify previous players leaving the club during Wilkins tenure.

You can't really compare the signing of Savage to that of Hammond's contract offer. Savage will be a short term loan whilst Hammond would have been 2/3 year contract and therefore a much bigger commitment from the club.

 

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You can't really compare the signing of Savage to that of Hammond's contract offer. Savage will be a short term loan whilst Hammond would have been 2/3 year contract and therefore a much bigger commitment from the club.

Fair point, I seem to recall that Gifton Noel-Williams was allegedly very expensive when we signed him on a short-term loan. However, it is nowhere near the long term financial commitment of offering contract to a pernament player.

 

[blockhseagull]

I would guess that if we sign Savage we would be paying far less than 6k a week.

Derby want shot of him, and probably be prepared to pay most of his wages just to get him away from the club. I can imagine if he is not playing at Derby he isn't a helpful influence on the other players and kicking off about it. Therefore best for Derby to find somewhere else for him to go firstly to get him playing games and putting himself in the shop window and secondly just to get him away from the Derby training ground.

 

[Mackenzie]

He'll certainly add to the gate if he comes, which would offset the spend on his wages. I can see an extra 500/700 people wanting to come and see him play.

 

[BigGully]

It is only a reasonable jibe if you know exactly what the figures are for Savage and you know what they were for the players you mention. Otherwise it's pure, uninformed speculation. I don't have a view on what figure might be negotiated - how can I have when I'm not in on the negotiations? The same applies to you.

Also the period of the loan has to come into it. Savage for four weeks may be much cheaper than the other contracts were for longer periods.

But whatever you do, please don't waste an opportunity to have a go at the Board.

You never seem to have a view because you accept you dont know certain things, thats fine and quite reasonable.

But on a discussion board it doesnt add much, views are here to be discussed.

My point remains that Savages wages were going to be maybe beyond what we had previously accepted as obtainable.

As a fan thats quite exciting, but on deeper inspection it shows that we are being lines that do not add up to why previous players have left.

 

[BigGully]

I would guess that if we sign Savage we would be paying far less than 6k a week.

Derby want shot of him, and probably be prepared to pay most of his wages just to get him away from the club. I can imagine if he is not playing at Derby he isn't a helpful influence on the other players and kicking off about it. Therefore best for Derby to find somewhere else for him to go firstly to get him playing games and putting himself in the shop window and secondly just to get him away from the Derby training ground.

It very unlikely ......

They might accept a minimal fee to get him off their books, but most chairman will not subsidise another clubs progress by letting him out on loan and nor should they.

If as you say that they would be willing to accept far less than £6,000 then that increase interest from other clubs and by doing so is likely to start a kinda bidding war that will bring it back up at least that figure again.

 

[blockhseagull]

It very unlikely ......

They might accept a minimal fee to get him off their books, but most chairman will not subsidise another clubs progress by letting him out on loan and nor should they.

If as you say that they would be willing to accept far less than £6,000 then that increase interest from other clubs and by doing so is likely to start a kinda bidding war that will bring it back up at least that figure again.

So Derby would rather keep an unhappy player causing unrest at the club

 

[BigGully]

You can't really compare the signing of Savage to that of Hammond's contract offer. Savage will be a short term loan whilst Hammond would have been 2/3 year contract and therefore a much bigger commitment from the club.

Thats true if you accept the figure of £6000, but my initial point was that as I understood it Brighton would need to find 50% of that players wages, something in the region of £10 000 +.

 

[Mackenzie]

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Worst rumour ever - even worse than the 'Jack Compton/taxi driver' one.

Would be nice if it was true though.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Everyone on Brightonfandabbydoozy is way too STRAIGHT to LIE. It must be TRUE.

 

[BigGully]

So Derby would rather keep an unhappy player causing unrest at the club

If he is causing unrest then of course they would wish him to move.

But the chairman is unlikely to allow a player to move play and impact for another club whilst still paying the lions share of that players wages.

It doesnt work like that, Derby would want as much in return as possible and Brighton would of known that.

So was it never going to happen but just spin ( I still remember the headlines 'Keeganin for Brighton in the early 80's I think ) or were we really willing to find massive extra wages so soon into the season.

 

[BigGully]

Of course we have a wage structure. If nothing else, it's in Football League regulations.

It's only you and your 'true belief' that keeps telling us ad nauseum that we don't.

Well our wage structure that has been in place since ermmmmm yeah well its just increased by 5,6,7,8,9 or £10,000 per week if we can secure Savage this week.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Well our wage structure that has been in place since ermmmmm yeah well its just increased by 5,6,7,8,9 or £10,000 per week if we can secure Savage this week.

You're conviniently ignoring the fact that we've released FOGDEN, thus freeing up THOUSANDS.

 

[BigGully]

You're conviniently ignoring the fact that we've released FOGDEN, thus freeing up THOUSANDS.

Its actually a good thing for the club and us the supporters ......

I have always said that although we are financially quite a basket case, because we have benefactors and backers with some level of wealth we can continue to be a competitive League 1 club and also have some hope for future progress.

But it does throw up some queries at to previous players departures above the wishes of the previous manager.

For a club that can hardly find any black ink on their end of year accounts of recent history, I am grateful that we can even consider paying wages in access of £5 000 maybe considerably more.