So.....are Trident a necessary deterrent?

[glasfryn]

A nuclear bomb is not a silly little weapon. We wouldn't all die. There is a man in Japan who survived both Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

one thing the mega tonnage will be far greater
so you are down the bookies betting you will be that man
best of luck with that one

 

[Thunder Bolt]

one thing the mega tonnage will be far greater
so you are down the bookies betting you will be that man
best of luck with that one

Yes, it will be bigger, but total annihilation is not the issue. If we were being attacked, the enemy could take out one city at a time. How long before we surrendered everything? One city, two three?

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Yes, it will be bigger, but total annihilation is not the issue. If we were being attacked, the enemy could take out one city at a time. How long before we surrendered everything? One city, two three?

If Corbyn get his way it would be all over with the threat of just one city

 

[beorhthelm]

Why can't there be a group of "good" countrirs that pool some weapons and split the matenence between them? We don't all individually need enough to obliturate the world.

there is more or less, UK, US and France.

 

[glasfryn]

Yes, it will be bigger, but total annihilation is not the issue. If we were being attacked, the enemy could take out one city at a time. How long before we surrendered everything? One city, two three?

you mean how long before the yanks decide to come in and as we are at this moment their first line of defence(they would hit us first to stop the yanks using Britain as their first base)I'm afraid radiation woud be here before the yanks.

and there certainly would not be any betfair shops open to collect winnings.

 

[jakarta]

Neither Corbyn and Sturgeon want Trident so it must be worthwhile.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

you mean how long before the yanks decide to come in and as we are at this moment their first line of defence(they would hit us first to stop the yanks using Britain as their first base)I'm afraid radiation woud be here before the yanks.

and there certainly would not be any betfair shops open to collect winnings.

I haven't a clue what you are getting at.

 

[glasfryn]

I haven't a clue what you are getting at.

so you think the eastern powers including Russia would bomb the **** out of Northern America which is entirely useable and leave this Island for them (yanks) to use as a base.
you really need to think a bit latterally here
this Island is useless to the Russians or anyone other than than the yanks in a nuclear war
besides the point that it would be un-usable due to radiation.
we might just as well stand on the white cliffs of dover and throw pebbles at the enemy, it would and never will be a fair war they have enough nuclear arms to destroy the world .......................they meaning the east and the west and certainly not us
understand now?

Oh and just an afterthought you have got to hope none of those mad barstards in the Middle East don't get hold of any nuclear weapons otherwise as they say in the USA bend down and kiss your ar$e goodbye

 

[Thunder Bolt]

so you think the eastern powers including Russia would bomb the **** out of Northern America which is entirely useable and leave this Island for them (yanks) to use as a base.
you really need to think a bit latterally here
this Island is useless to the Russians or anyone other than than the yanks in a nuclear war
besides the point that it would be un-usable due to radiation.
we might just as well stand on the white cliffs of dover and throw pebbles at the enemy, it would and never will be a fair war they have enough nuclear arms to destroy the world .......................they meaning the east and the west and certainly not us
understand now?

No. I'm not talking about America, but us. We have our own deterrent and are capable of standing up to Russia without America. Why? Because we have our own deterrent. Russia would like Europe to be weaker so that he can walk all over the Ukraine and other nearby countries without interferance.
Why do you think Putin sabre rattles with his jets flying near UK airspace?

 

[glasfryn]

No. I'm not talking about America, but us. We have our own deterrent and are capable of standing up to Russia without America. Why? Because we have our own deterrent. Russia would like Europe to be weaker so that he can walk all over the Ukraine and other nearby countries without interferance.
Why do you think Putin sabre rattles with his jets flying near UK airspace?

you must be living in cloud cuckoo land if you think that
we ave 4 subs
two out at any time
I don't know how many they have .....................but its a shitload more than us
and in answer to your last question .................to take the p1ss

 

[Lindfield by the Pond]

Why not spend money on developing anti-nuclear weapon devices? If we see an ICBM coming our way we can shoot it down instead of assuring both parties mutually destroy the world.

If you can see they will shoot down the missiles, then you have the advantage. Lets launch!!!! Hence the problem with USSR thinking we have Star Wars. Anti Nuclears defence against Nukes is the same as having Nukes in the first place. All a bit grim.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

you must be living in cloud cuckoo land if you think that
we ave 4 subs
two out at any time
I don't know how many they have .....................but its a shitload more than us
and in answer to your last question .................to take the p1ss

I know about the subs and what capability they have. I've worked with them.

 

[glasfryn]

I know about the subs and what capability they have. I've worked with them.

then you must know just how many the eastern powers have then
say we get off a few strikes is that going to protect our Island let alone its cities and on a personal lever do you really think the yanks are going to protect us? or anybody for that matter

 

[Thunder Bolt]

then you must know just how many the eastern powers have then
say we get off a few strikes is that going to protect our Island let alone its cities and on a personal lever do you really think the yanks are going to protect us? or anybody for that matter

Do you understand what a deterrant is?
There was a four minute warning, when a nuke was fired at us. In that space of time, we could retaliate with pre-programmed missiles. If we were going to get hit, we'd take them out with us.


That's why Kruchev had to back down when America told him to remove his missile bases from Cuba. He knew what would happen if he didn't.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

then you must know just how many the eastern powers have then
say we get off a few strikes is that going to protect our Island let alone its cities and on a personal lever do you really think the yanks are going to protect us? or anybody for that matter

The snakes head will be cut off,the snake will be sliced down the middle and quartered with just 1 sub and it's multi re- entry vehicle missiles.....so perhaps the snake will not strike,regardless how big the snake is,perhaps is the point.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

and on a personal level i think we are all doomed...

 

[ThePompousPaladin]

So what is the cause of us not seeing a multi national conflict in the world for 71 years nearly?

the EU?

 

[glasfryn]

Do you understand what a deterrant is?
There was a four minute warning, when a nuke was fired at us. In that space of time, we could retaliate with pre-programmed missiles. If we were going to get hit, we'd take them out with us.

yes its called MAD
mutually assured destruction, so we all die, or neally all of us
surely better to live with that wasted money doing US some good

Kennedy and Kruchev were playing games it would never have happened,

 

[wellquickwoody]

the EU?

And the U.S.S.R. became a member when?

 

[ThePompousPaladin]

And the U.S.S.R. became a member when?

If i recall correctly the last 2 major wars were started in europe.