- Oct 17, 2008
- 14,563
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Unchecked immigration = very bad.
People dying in dinghies trying for a better life = tragic
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[Politics] Small boats, smashing the criminal gangs and the UK job market
- Thread starter Bozza
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Unchecked immigration = very bad.
People dying in dinghies trying for a better life = tragic
Machiavelli
Well-known member
Another good post and, in answer to your question, it's political cowardice.
Those handbags and glad rags ain’t gonna sell themselves
And none of the fruit and veg you buy at the supermarket would be grown or picked.
Supermarket, fruit & veg? PYO all the way, if it’s in season i’ll pick it and eat it
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Have you seen the polytunnels in Spain, where migrants are practically used as slave labour?Supermarket, fruit & veg? PYO all the way, if it’s in season i’ll pick it and eat it
- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,778
Supermarket, fruit & veg? PYO all the way, if it’s in season i’ll pick it and eat it
Many a time my app shows my food being delivered by cycle icon and a car shows up
I'm dying to know, where and what fruit and veg have you been picking and eating this season to balance out your diet with all those takeaways
Well you’re NSC’s lead sleuth, i’ll leave you to the detective stuffI'm dying to know, where and what fruit and veg have you been picking and eating this season to balance out your diet with all those takeaways
folkestonesgull
Active member
This is definitely true. Very hard to work in France and much of Europe without an ID card and lots of paperwork...
If we regulated our labour market it would reduce the pull of working in the UK.
Some decent enforcement would also help...
If we regulated our labour market it would reduce the pull of working in the UK.
Some decent enforcement would also help...
Spiros
Well-known member
Corrected for you
I was about to say about the same thing. Perhaps the French are right, perhaps it is our employment laws that are causing an unintended problem. Perhaps we should look at what the French (and others) have in their employment laws which could mitigate this problem? Although we might have difficulty with the enforcement matter!
Cotton Socks
Skint Supporter
- Feb 20, 2017
- 2,159
The job market is already (sort of) regulated. You're supposed to give a NI number, name, add, DOB & that kind of stuff. How will having ID cards stop that? If people are being employed by others without NI numbers etc, an ID card isn't going to solve that. I had no idea until the 'Barber Wars' in Portslade why there were suddenly Barber shops everywhere. Since realising I'm paying a couple of quid extra for my 'yoof' to go to somewhere that doesn't open on a Sunday, takes cards & the only thing they'd offer him 'for the weekend' is a condom!
If we're talking about Uber cab drivers it's not just Ubers who are lending out their cars. Hackney Carriage owners are doing it as well. I'm basing this on my knowledge of one tbf. But now I'll always take a pic of their plate number & ask to see their badge before I get in if I'm getting a cab off a rank. I now prefer Uber as at least you know the car reg number. As my experience happened during a lockdown release by the time the Hackney Carriage Office bothered to look at the email I sent (a week later) their CCTV was gone. In retrospect I should've done what another cab driver told me to do & gone to the police straight away. I was basically kidnapped and driven around Brighton as I asked to see their badge number, because they'd already driven me around Brighton & the fare was double what it should've been!
Who's going to be able to regulate the highly lucrative drugs market? The lazy British drug dealers won't deliver coke 24/7 (to every class of society) but there are well known people that will. It can't be that f**king difficult to get a phone number & then trace it back. It's not difficult to spot someone who might know someone in a pub. They're usually really gobby & have constant bad colds. There is a severe shortage of British drug dealers in this country, they're too lazy to deliver 24/7, not keen on employing kids & don't want to have to move around a lot. Small time cannabis dealers on estates get their doors put in at whatever time of the morning. While 2 roads up from them there's someone been cuckooed by people from another country. Just to clarify I don't take drugs as I'm to old for all that now, I was a raver & things like coke weren't on anyone's radar then. Even then I wouldn't have a trip, never fancied the thought of seeing things that aren't there!!
TL.DR
Cab drivers ID badges on display on cab windows & give back drug dealing to the British who can't be arsed to deliver 24/7. I'm not entirely sure what kind of person that makes me sound like!
If we're talking about Uber cab drivers it's not just Ubers who are lending out their cars. Hackney Carriage owners are doing it as well. I'm basing this on my knowledge of one tbf. But now I'll always take a pic of their plate number & ask to see their badge before I get in if I'm getting a cab off a rank. I now prefer Uber as at least you know the car reg number. As my experience happened during a lockdown release by the time the Hackney Carriage Office bothered to look at the email I sent (a week later) their CCTV was gone. In retrospect I should've done what another cab driver told me to do & gone to the police straight away. I was basically kidnapped and driven around Brighton as I asked to see their badge number, because they'd already driven me around Brighton & the fare was double what it should've been!
Who's going to be able to regulate the highly lucrative drugs market? The lazy British drug dealers won't deliver coke 24/7 (to every class of society) but there are well known people that will. It can't be that f**king difficult to get a phone number & then trace it back. It's not difficult to spot someone who might know someone in a pub. They're usually really gobby & have constant bad colds. There is a severe shortage of British drug dealers in this country, they're too lazy to deliver 24/7, not keen on employing kids & don't want to have to move around a lot. Small time cannabis dealers on estates get their doors put in at whatever time of the morning. While 2 roads up from them there's someone been cuckooed by people from another country. Just to clarify I don't take drugs as I'm to old for all that now, I was a raver & things like coke weren't on anyone's radar then. Even then I wouldn't have a trip, never fancied the thought of seeing things that aren't there!!
TL.DR
Cab drivers ID badges on display on cab windows & give back drug dealing to the British who can't be arsed to deliver 24/7. I'm not entirely sure what kind of person that makes me sound like!
Having done the B&HCC Taxi English language test imagine my surprise when i heard that the recent court case of a Brighton Green & White taxi (Hackney) driver who hit & run a pedestrian (The poor lad died) was held up because an interpreter was needed for the defendant ffsThe job market is already (sort of) regulated. You're supposed to give a NI number, name, add, DOB & that kind of stuff. How will having ID cards stop that? If people are being employed by others without NI numbers etc, an ID card isn't going to solve that. I had no idea until the 'Barber Wars' in Portslade why there were suddenly Barber shops everywhere. Since realising I'm paying a couple of quid extra for my 'yoof' to go to somewhere that doesn't open on a Sunday, takes cards & the only thing they'd offer him 'for the weekend' is a condom!
If we're talking about Uber cab drivers it's not just Ubers who are lending out their cars. Hackney Carriage owners are doing it as well. I'm basing this on my knowledge of one tbf. But now I'll always take a pic of their plate number & ask to see their badge before I get in if I'm getting a cab off a rank. I now prefer Uber as at least you know the car reg number. As my experience happened during a lockdown release by the time the Hackney Carriage Office bothered to look at the email I sent (a week later) their CCTV was gone. In retrospect I should've done what another cab driver told me to do & gone to the police straight away. I was basically kidnapped and driven around Brighton as I asked to see their badge number, because they'd already driven me around Brighton & the fare was double what it should've been!
Who's going to be able to regulate the highly lucrative drugs market? The lazy British drug dealers won't deliver coke 24/7 (to every class of society) but there are well known people that will. It can't be that f**king difficult to get a phone number & then trace it back. It's not difficult to spot someone who might know someone in a pub. They're usually really gobby & have constant bad colds. There is a severe shortage of British drug dealers in this country, they're too lazy to deliver 24/7, not keen on employing kids & don't want to have to move around a lot. Small time cannabis dealers on estates get their doors put in at whatever time of the morning. While 2 roads up from them there's someone been cuckooed by people from another country. Just to clarify I don't take drugs as I'm to old for all that now, I was a raver & things like coke weren't on anyone's radar then. Even then I wouldn't have a trip, never fancied the thought of seeing things that aren't there!!
TL.DR
Cab drivers ID badges on display on cab windows & give back drug dealing to the British who can't be arsed to deliver 24/7. I'm not entirely sure what kind of person that makes me sound like!
- Jul 10, 2003
- 27,778
The job market is already (sort of) regulated. You're supposed to give a NI number, name, add, DOB & that kind of stuff. How will having ID cards stop that? If people are being employed by others without NI numbers etc, an ID card isn't going to solve that. I had no idea until the 'Barber Wars' in Portslade why there were suddenly Barber shops everywhere. Since realising I'm paying a couple of quid extra for my 'yoof' to go to somewhere that doesn't open on a Sunday, takes cards & the only thing they'd offer him 'for the weekend' is a condom!
If we're talking about Uber cab drivers it's not just Ubers who are lending out their cars. Hackney Carriage owners are doing it as well. I'm basing this on my knowledge of one tbf. But now I'll always take a pic of their plate number & ask to see their badge before I get in if I'm getting a cab off a rank. I now prefer Uber as at least you know the car reg number. As my experience happened during a lockdown release by the time the Hackney Carriage Office bothered to look at the email I sent (a week later) their CCTV was gone. In retrospect I should've done what another cab driver told me to do & gone to the police straight away. I was basically kidnapped and driven around Brighton as I asked to see their badge number, because they'd already driven me around Brighton & the fare was double what it should've been!
Who's going to be able to regulate the highly lucrative drugs market? The lazy British drug dealers won't deliver coke 24/7 (to every class of society) but there are well known people that will. It can't be that f**king difficult to get a phone number & then trace it back. It's not difficult to spot someone who might know someone in a pub. They're usually really gobby & have constant bad colds. There is a severe shortage of British drug dealers in this country, they're too lazy to deliver 24/7, not keen on employing kids & don't want to have to move around a lot. Small time cannabis dealers on estates get their doors put in at whatever time of the morning. While 2 roads up from them there's someone been cuckooed by people from another country. Just to clarify I don't take drugs as I'm to old for all that now, I was a raver & things like coke weren't on anyone's radar then. Even then I wouldn't have a trip, never fancied the thought of seeing things that aren't there!!
TL.DR
Cab drivers ID badges on display on cab windows & give back drug dealing to the British who can't be arsed to deliver 24/7. I'm not entirely sure what kind of person that makes me sound like!
ID cards are not the answer that will solve the problem. Nor is banning cash transactions.
The problem is that Britain could never be arsed to put in place procedures for people entering and leaving the UK. 'Free Movement' wasn't something that was demanded of us by some third party. We were never in Schengen and never had to let anyone in unregulated from anywhere in the world, EU based or otherwise as pointed out numerous times on a particular long running thread.
But the simple fact is we couldn't be arsed to do the basics, and would rather shout about 'taking back control' than actually record who was coming in and out so we now have no idea who is here.
It's hardly surprising that this, together with an unregulated employment environment created a huge employment black market.
Are you here legally, overstayed your visa, disappeared from some sort of 'secure' accommodation you've been in for years because we couldn't be arsed to process you ? We have absolutely no idea, because we don't know who is here as we couldn't be arsed to do the basics
With apologies to @Thunder Bolt who has explained this even more times than I have.
Isn't it refreshing to have a proper honest factual discussion about immigration
Cotton Socks
Skint Supporter
- Feb 20, 2017
- 2,159
Something tells me they didn't have to learn all the streets in the Brighton & Hove Hackney boundary & the roads that come off of them. I see it as a very bad sign if a Hackney driver has a phone displaying sat nav.
I think you've misunderstood me. I'm not for one second saying we should all have ID cards (just cab drivers when it's dark etc). I definitely don't think that cash transactions shouldn't be allowed. I'm not a fan of this 'cashless' society that we're being drawn into. I always carry a small amount of cash on me so that when banking apps etc go down, I can still buy something. I'm pi**ed off that my 'home' phone now needs a connection to the internet to work. The 'home' phone was back up in a power cut. I've had my new 'home' phone for 2 years & have only used it to find my mobile! I hate this reliance on the internet for everything. I didn't have a contactless card until Covid, simply because I lose stuff. Dropping £20 is (sort of) ok, but dropping a contactless card adds a whole dimension to things if a dishonest person picks it up. My card was being used in the US, I didn't drop it or even use it! I can only assume this was a data breach by a bank that haven't admitted it as the small transactions were being blocked for months without any notifications or anything showing on my statements. I had no idea. However if a Barber shop will 'only' take cash, that might be something someone should look into.ID cards are not the answer that will solve the problem. Nor is banning cash transactions.
The problem is that Britain could never be arsed to put in place procedures for people entering and leaving the UK. 'Free Movement' wasn't something that was demanded of us by some third party. We were never in Schengen and never had to let anyone in unregulated from anywhere in the world, EU based or otherwise as pointed out numerous times on a particular long running thread.
But the simple fact is we couldn't be arsed to do the basics, and would rather shout about 'taking back control' than actually record who was coming in and out so we now have no idea who is here.
It's hardly surprising that this, together with an unregulated employment environment created a huge employment black market.
Are you here legally, overstayed your visa, disappeared from some sort of 'secure' accommodation you've been in for years because we couldn't be arsed to process you ? We have absolutely no idea, because we don't know who is here as we couldn't be arsed to do the basics
With apologies to @Thunder Bolt who has explained this even more times than I have.
Isn't it refreshing to have a proper honest factual discussion about immigration
I pay my window cleaner in cash but that's because I always have. It's his potential problem if he doesn't declare it. If my window cleaner, like the Barber near me was strictly 'cash only' then I'm getting a new window cleaner in the same way I've sent my 'yoof' to a Barbers that accepts cash & card.
Processing (or lack of) has been the biggest problem for years. Misleading migrant figures (forgetting to mention they're mostly students) make it seem like there are hundreds of thousands coming over here in boats. I struggle to find the reasons why drug dealing & money laundering should be left to 'foreigners'. If someone has a 'real' reason to be here, then fine if it means they are safe or if they're going to help us out by filling employment gaps. Let's face it though, we could give back the drug dealing & money laundering jobs to people that are ordinarily resident in the UK if there was faster processing.
tigertim68
Well-known member
- Sep 3, 2012
- 2,625
There is no free speech in this country any more , people are not allowed to think or say what they really think ,Freedom of speech is still alive, well and thriving
Hate speech is still illegal, being pissed isn't a great defence
Hope this helps
- Apr 19, 2018
- 2,135
Can you provide some examples of people not being allowed to think something and how they are stopped from thinking it? If reading minds is a woke super power I need to up my organic muesli intake.
Also people can say whatever they like, they just have to be prepared for being socially ostracised if the majority find their views abhorrent, or legal consequences if they incite hatred or threaten peace. But that’s forever been the case and nothing new…sometimes like with the suffragettes society comes to their point of view over time and regrets the way it treated them. Sometimes like with Oswald Mosley it doesn’t.
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These days…..
It’s been proven before that those coming into the uk are net contributors to the exchequer and not likely to use the services. Young, fit people tend to not need the NHS. On the other hand the aged population of the UK tend to need young and fit people to pay for the NHS and work in it.
But this has been discussed over and over.
Like others I’m unclear as to whether it’s easier to get a job in the uk versus France.
Justice
Dangerous Idiot
Dark taxi drivers should only have ID?Something tells me they didn't have to learn all the streets in the Brighton & Hove Hackney boundary & the roads that come off of them. I see it as a very bad sign if a Hackney driver has a phone displaying sat nav.
I think you've misunderstood me. I'm not for one second saying we should all have ID cards (just cab drivers when it's dark etc). I definitely don't think that cash transactions shouldn't be allowed. I'm not a fan of this 'cashless' society that we're being drawn into. I always carry a small amount of cash on me so that when banking apps etc go down, I can still buy something. I'm pi**ed off that my 'home' phone now needs a connection to the internet to work. The 'home' phone was back up in a power cut. I've had my new 'home' phone for 2 years & have only used it to find my mobile! I hate this reliance on the internet for everything. I didn't have a contactless card until Covid, simply because I lose stuff. Dropping £20 is (sort of) ok, but dropping a contactless card adds a whole dimension to things if a dishonest person picks it up. My card was being used in the US, I didn't drop it or even use it! I can only assume this was a data breach by a bank that haven't admitted it as the small transactions were being blocked for months without any notifications or anything showing on my statements. I had no idea. However if a Barber shop will 'only' take cash, that might be something someone should look into.
I pay my window cleaner in cash but that's because I always have. It's his potential problem if he doesn't declare it. If my window cleaner, like the Barber near me was strictly 'cash only' then I'm getting a new window cleaner in the same way I've sent my 'yoof' to a Barbers that accepts cash & card.
Processing (or lack of) has been the biggest problem for years. Misleading migrant figures (forgetting to mention they're mostly students) make it seem like there are hundreds of thousands coming over here in boats. I struggle to find the reasons why drug dealing & money laundering should be left to 'foreigners'. If someone has a 'real' reason to be here, then fine if it means they are safe or if they're going to help us out by filling employment gaps. Let's face it though, we could give back the drug dealing & money laundering jobs to people that are ordinarily resident in the UK if there was faster processing.
This has been happening in London for donkeys years the Irish would get picked up from certain roads for work in the morning now it’s other nationalities.