Sit down, shut up

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Just move all the kids , moany short arses and OAPs to the front , problem solved.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

I actually fail to see the problem here. I really do, I think the letter and the leaflet Wolves are handing out is spot on. I actually have dodgy knees, I can't be standing all the time. Which was a problem at Luton, I had to sit down periodically, and I actually moved in the second half, I was stood in the centre for the first half, but the joy of unreserved seating (and the fact you can usually sit where you want away from home anyway) is that if people are standing in front of you, you can move. And I actually don't think it's a problem if people stand, everyone has paid their money to be there, if they want to stand, fine. You do need to think of others at times aswell, even if you are someone who wants/needs to be seated most of the time, you have to understand people want to stand. And the people who stand need to understand why some people can't.

There's no real solution to be fair, other than to reintroduce terraces, which I would be in favour of. Terraces behind both goals, what would be the problem there?

I don't like some of the reactions from people in this thread to the Boro letter though, "football is going down the shitter". Could you be more dramatic? Just because the clubs are trying to enforce the no standing law and thinking of the fans who can't see when others stand. I am a very tall chap, it's not a problem for me, but imagine if you were Dean Cox at a football match. He could barely see with everyone sat down, let alone standing up!

 

[Skint Gull]

I think too many people have missed the problem with the letter. Telling people to sit down is understandable but telling them to be quiet is a joke

 

[Spider]

I don't like some of the reactions from people in this thread to the Boro letter though, "football is going down the shitter". Could you be more dramatic? Just because the clubs are trying to enforce the no standing law and thinking of the fans who can't see when others stand. I am a very tall chap, it's not a problem for me, but imagine if you were Dean Cox at a football match. He could barely see with everyone sat down, let alone standing up!

I was more referring to the thing about telling people at the back of the stand to not make so much noise as people had complained - the seating/standing thing is understandable in the current climate but that is just ridiculous.

I think you have the solution to be honest. The powers that be have to realise that football has always had standing, and football fans will always want to stand. Even if you can't get terraces back, there should at least be areas where fans are permitted to stand, in front of their allocated seat (as most do at away games). If this can't be achieved then you have to have unreserved seating in games when it clearly isn't going to sell out. I really hope this is something we see behind at least one goal at Falmer. This way everyone has the choice of whether to sit in a standing or a sitting area, but I don't see how an area of standing is any more dangerous or an encouragement to hooliganism than currently.

 

[hitony]

Just move all the kids , moany short arses and OAPs to the front , problem solved.

If only it were that simple, unfortunately tickets have seat numbers etc, which renders your proposal impossible (by the way, the wife has a cute arse not a moany one )

 

[Notters]

Perhaps it's time that our fans campaigned on this issue, now we don't need to campaign for our own future!

 

[Spider]

Perhaps it's time that our fans campaigned on this issue, now we don't need to campaign for our own future!

It's certainly about time a bigger majority of fans started being a bit more vocal in their grievances with modern football rather than just quietly grumbling about it whilst continuing to pay ever increasing amount of money.

 

[Notters]

It's certainly about time a bigger majority of fans started being a bit more vocal in their grievances with modern football rather than just quietly grumbling about it whilst continuing to pay ever increasing amount of money.

How do we do it? Someone like Atilla will obviously be needed.

 

[Kukev31]

If your not already then get on the forum of Stand Up Sit Down's website. Stand Up Sit Down

They are making slow progress in the fight to bring standing back, but more people are needed. If people are interested in some kind of campaigning then I am up for helping in any way I can.

 

[Spider]

How do we do it? Someone like Atilla will obviously be needed.

More of a nationwide thing really isn't it. Can't see anything changing though as the fact is that The Premiershite dictates football in the country and in that League there's a lot of fans whose matchday experience is based on modern-era all-seater £40 a ticket stadiums - can't see a lot of the 'daytrippers' being particularly bothered about a campaign to allow standing - although obviously there's still a lot of serious fans in the Premiership.

Equally, a lot of fans don't want anything to get in the way of support of their club. They won't want protests or the like because all they want to do, and fair enough, is pay their money and watch/support their team.

 

[NMH]

Will all fans who type in blue text be considerate to other fans on NSC, and type in a regular colour and style.

(I have stopped reading those posts now Ninja E., and I bet I'm not the only one who can't be bothered to)

 

[Spider]

Oh and also, some Boro' and Wolves fans should start dsitributing their own leaflets with notices to people saying "if you sit in this area, expect people around you to stand and make noise", it would really piss the club off and probably be a little bit of a statement.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

I was more referring to the thing about telling people at the back of the stand to not make so much noise as people had complained - the seating/standing thing is understandable in the current climate but that is just ridiculous.

My apologies, I didn't take that part of the letter in, I've reread it now, that part is just brilliantly written. How to destroy a valid argument in one paragraph.

The problem is you can't sectarise the crowd, you couldn't have Block A for people who want to stand up and make noise, Block B for those who wish to sit quietly, and so on. Or, maybe you could? Everyone would know what section they would be in then, and couldn't then moan when everyone was passionately supporting their club, they should have known it was going to be like due to the Block they're in. Not work able, but a thought.

 

[Kukev31]

My apologies, I didn't take that part of the letter in, I've reread it now, that part is just brilliantly written. How to destroy a valid argument in one paragraph.

The problem is you can't sectarise the crowd, you couldn't have Block A for people who want to stand up and make noise, Block B for those who wish to sit quietly, and so on. Or, maybe you could? Everyone would know what section they would be in then, and couldn't then moan when everyone was passionately supporting their club, they should have known it was going to be like due to the Block they're in. Not work able, but a thought.

I don't know how this wouldn't be workable? It already happens unofficially at most grounds every week.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

Can the club segregate the fans like that though? Because you'd be clumping all the older folks together, though, maybe they'd like that? Maybe at Falmer we should have a family stand behind a goal like we do at the moment, and get all the kids in that end where they can't piss me off, and have certain areas for certain types of fans. It might actually be more considerate on behalf of the club, and might encourage people to go more often? If they know they won't have some screaming buffoon sat next to them.

 

[Spider]

I don't know how this wouldn't be workable? It already happens unofficially at most grounds every week.

Only way it can work is Unreserved seating. Obviously until policy changes the clubs can't openly admit that there are sections for 'those who want to sit down' as opposed to the people who want to stand - but they can rely on the common sense and accepted code of conduct all lower league clubs display when we go away by letting the fans choose their own seats. How many Albion matches have you had a problem at? Only time I can remember was this season at Northampton where we were standing in front of a family with young children - a polite word and the family were very happy to swap rows with us so that they could sit down and see and we could stand and support. It's not complicated.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

Is everyone that understanding though, Spider? At Swindon the stewards tried to insist we sit in the designated seating, but my seat was on row Y. I suffer with vertigo and was not prepared to sit up there, but when I took a random seat lower down, 3 times I was asked to move, I ended up just sitting at the back texting my friend further along the Arkells in the Swindon end, asking her who it was who just did this and that. Perhaps I shouldn't have give up at 3, and perhaps I should have moved for the second half, but hey, once settled.

 

[Spider]

Is everyone that understanding though, Spider? At Swindon the stewards tried to insist we sit in the designated seating, but my seat was on row Y. I suffer with vertigo and was not prepared to sit up there, but when I took a random seat lower down, 3 times I was asked to move, I ended up just sitting at the back texting my friend further along the Arkells in the Swindon end, asking her who it was who just did this and that. Perhaps I shouldn't have give up at 3, and perhaps I should have moved for the second half, but hey, once settled.

We came in quite late and found the first seat near the back we could and had no problem. We certainly didn't look at our ticket for a seat number and I doubt many around us did either.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

Wouldn't suprise me then if you were one of those who decided to encroach on my own personal space... Honestly, I had guy dry humping my leg most of the match he was that close!

I didn't move though, maybe that says more about me than him.

 

[Spider]

Wouldn't suprise me then if you were one of those who decided to encroach on my own personal space... Honestly, I had guy dry humping my leg most of the match he was that close!

I didn't move though, maybe that says more about me than him.

I can assure you that I was not dry-humping anyone during the match to the best of my knowledge. It gets pretty tight when the rows are full though - makes you wonder how compact you'd be if everyone sat down on some of those old terraces with seats bolted on. Has anyone ever actually been forced to sit at Luton because with the width of the seats and legroom I don't actually know how it would be possible!