Should we pull the plug on immigration levels?

[Barrel of Fun]

BBC NEWS | England | England 'most crowded in Europe'

 

[Mellotron]

Wahey I love playing Spot the Racist.

Only kidding.

 

[Lord Large]

No.

There are still areas in which we need migrant workers to plug the gaps.

AND, more importantly, I think we should be proud that Britain is a nation which welcomes people from all round the World and offers asylum to those who need it.

Just because some people take advantage of the system does not mean we are wrong in offering it.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

I do think we need stricter controls on our population levels, but I would not advocate a blanket ban on immigrants! Our resources (education, health etc) do seem to be under an enormous amount of strain. I don't think we should solely rely on migrant labour when we have many areas of high poverty that could benefit (idealistic view, I know).

The poll options are pretty crap.

 

[Starry]

no.

my workforce is now about 65% immigrant because the english are too lazy/proud or whatever to drive a lorry or build a machine.

what stricter controls would you want BoF?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Controls was probably the wrong word. I would echo the sentiments of Nicholas Soames and think we should aim to strangle population growth or at least minimise the growth, coupled with forcing the armies of unemployed people back into work.

 

[Starry]

Controls was probably the wrong word. I would echo the sentiments of Nicholas Soames and think we should aim to strangle population growth or at least minimise the growth, coupled with forcing the armies of unemployed people back into work.

completely agree with the second point.

not sure how you could go about the first, perhaps the two are linked.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

completely agree with the second point.

not sure how you could go about the first, perhaps the two are linked.

Many govts. have failed on that front, so I guess it will take a man (or woman) with an iron fist to instigate. I guess some people are just happy to be catered for and sit back and enjoy the ride. Lack of personal pride et al.

 

[The Spanish]

no.

my workforce is now about 65% immigrant because the english are too lazy/proud or whatever to drive a lorry or build a machine.

what stricter controls would you want BoF?

might even be because they are not lazy just dont want to work for people who dress their decision to pay below a reasonable wage for the job as the British publics laziness.

You might want to ask yourself why the only people you can get will work for below the wage for a reasonable standard of living are non brits rather than blaming others.

the cost of living in this country is amongst the highest in the world. to expect people to work for peanuts just because your business is too tight or runs on an inefficient model to cope with economic conditions is not a reason to slag the workforce in such a sweeping and offensive manner. sounds to me like you are justifying your use of cheap labour more than a genuine reflection on peoples motivations.

the benefits system in this country does provide people with a choice of working or not which is wrong. the free movement of labour in the EU also allows employers to ensure that people make the wrong choice too. but then its never the employers fault is it boo hoo.

 

[Starry]

might even be because they are not lazy just dont want to work for people who dress their decision to pay below a reasonable wage for the job as the British publics laziness.

You might want to ask yourself why the only people you can get will work for below the wage for a reasonable standard of living are non brits rather than blaming others.

the cost of living in this country is amongst the highest in the world. to expect people to work for peanuts just because your business is to tight or runs on an inefficient model is not a reason to slag the workforce.

the benefits system in this country does provide people with a choice of working or not which is wrong. the free movement of labour in the EU also allows employers to ensure that people make the wrong choice too.

you have no idea what i pay my staff so most of that post is complete baloney.

 

[The Spanish]

you have no idea what i pay my staff so most of that post is complete baloney.

you say that most british people wont work for the money you pay and you have a majority immigrant workforce. unless those immigrants are indian graduate doctors or US scientists i think i can take a guess you are cutting corners somewhere.

of course i dont know what you pay your workers or what you do. i do know you think british people are lazy and slag them off, i know plenty who work for buttons so i can take a guess its not bundles you are paying.

what is the going rate for hopping this summer?

 

[Starry]

you say that most british people wont work for the money you pay and you have a majority immigrant workforce. unless those immigrants are indian graduate doctors or US scientists i think i can take a guess you are cutting corners somewhere.

of course i dont know what you pay your workers or what you do. i do know you think british people are lazy and slag them off, i know plenty who work for buttons so i can take a guess its not bundles you are paying.

what is the going rate for hopping this summer?

i never said anything about the british people not working for money. i said they are lazy or too proud - it has become easy for them (and i realise there are plenty of hardworking brits too - just is becoming evident that the immigrants in my fields will do their graft but the brit won't) to scrounge the dole and exist that way.

i pay a good, fair, industry wage (and perks.) no one who works for me is paid buttons nor have i cut any corners.

 

[The Spanish]

i never said anything about the british people not working for money. i said they are lazy or too proud - it has become easy for them (and i realise there are plenty of hardworking brits too - just is becoming evident that the immigrants in my fields will do their graft but the brit won't) to scrounge the dole and exist that way.

i pay a good, fair, industry wage (and perks.) no one who works for me is paid buttons nor have i cut any corners.

fair enough if you pay fair for this country then fair play to you. it just gets my back up when people dismiss british people as lazy or too proud to work. have heard that many times from people who mean it as 'dont want to work for what i can get the work done for nowadays by people with no commitments, ties and are living 10 to a house and are chancers'.

i do know many companies who have employed cheap labour to increase margins (due to squeeze on profits or not, its the same thing) rather than its because they have given up trying to offer brits decent wages, though.

you are right though many brits are happy to stuff their faces with oven chips and think the world owes them a living. no one denys that. and good on you if you have given brits a fair crack of the whip and they regularly turn you down if they think they are too good for it. appaling if thats true.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

immigrant's are more fodder for greedy employment agency's to off load to company's with no real commitment to them and vice versa SEEM TO REMEMBER THIS TOPIC BEING BROUGHT UP A FEW MONTH'S BACK

 

[Gully]

Yes it was, we discuss it on a regular basis, I still haven't changed my opinion though.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

and you're thought's are

 

[mattb]

if we scrapped unemployment benefits or adopted a model similar to that of the US then British people would, I'm sure, be willing to work for the going rate. ie. less.

then we won't need workers to "plug the gaps" as somebody above put.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

if we scrapped unemployment benefits or adopted a model similar to that of the US then British people would, I'm sure, be willing to work for the going rate. ie. less.

then we won't need workers to "plug the gaps" as somebody above put.

how would you feel if you were made redundant

 

[mattb]

well, i'd go look for another job. and get any job, unlike many people I know or know of who are made redundant then wait 6 months looking for the "right" job to come up. get a ruddy job and THEN look for the "right" job

how do you think americans feel when they are made redundant? i'd feel similarly.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

"get any job" yeah right and that would be fine in you're book. you sound so self righteous