[News] Should we Bring Back National Service? Sunak says YES.

[Justice]

I like what they do in Switzerland. They have national service but you can opt to do "civil service" instead where you do community-based activities. A guy I worked with went off to work in some castle museum where he helped to clean up and log archaeological artefacts ready for display. He was gone about 6 weeks. He moaned like hell before going but came back saying it was a fascinating experience, and had opened new interests for him.

That will help when the Russians Invade

 

[armchairclubber]

"Be prepared" my scout leader used to tell us, and I have carried that mantra through my life to great effect. The kids of today are being brain washed by social media many to there detriment. As much a I hate to say it, Sunak may have something here to change this country from those hoodie no hoper kids back into respectful people.

Were you prepared for all the lies, the self serving, corrupt, gaslighting, warmongering & scorched earth policies of the last 14 years?

 

[ROSM]

having delved into the detail is that the military element is capped at 30k places. That is less than 5% of the target age group. So 95% will be doing voluntary work. Perhaps serco or Infosys (maybe even jcb) will be on a payday here.

Follow the money

 

[ROSM]

"Be prepared" my scout leader used to tell us, and I have carried that mantra through my life to great effect. The kids of today are being brain washed by social media many to there detriment. As much a I hate to say it, Sunak may have something here to change this country from those hoodie no hoper kids back into respectful people.

I'm more worried by the no hoper adults myself. The ones who deliberately made a decision to make it harder for the next generations by reducing opportunities and prospects

 

[jackanada]

Who is? What is? Is 'Irrational hate-filled gammon' your trope for anyone who disagrees with you?

....................or are you going to contribute constructively to this thread (whatever the OP is rambling on about)? Fair enough, if you just want to spout out something meaningless .........................so, right on ............................. regardless.

Clearly I mean anyone who is still considering voting Tory. There is absolutely no area in which they can claim any competence so all they have is migrants and whatever straws they can grab at to appeal to those with a false sepia tinged ideas of the past.
While my previous description of them was too narrow it was also too kind.

 

[Since1982]

From the perspective of someone involved in running a mid sized, long standing charity in the City, the idea of having to administer, manage and report on 18 year olds being forced to spend time "volunteering" with us fills me with horror. We can barely afford the staff needed to deliver our basic services, this will be a hindrance, divert effort from frontline work and add to our costs. Back of a fag packet desperation springs to mind.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Voted

 

[Thunder Bolt]

having delved into the detail is that the military element is capped at 30k places. That is less than 5% of the target age group. So 95% will be doing voluntary work. Perhaps serco or Infosys (maybe even jcb) will be on a payday here.

Follow the money

Serco, Infosys and JCB. All have one thing in common.
Follow the money indeed.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

It works well in South Korea, I think the conscription suicide stats there are in the hundreds per annum, resulting from bullying, sexual abuse etc. I guess in North Korea you just get fed to the dogs.

 

[Dinner with Gotsmanov]

It’s time for national service lads, so GET SOME IN!

Someone with a bit more technical nous than me could Post clips off of you tube from this 70s comedy about the subject. Hope that helps.

Isn't the Duke of Edinburgh award a voluntary scheme for teenagers to volunteer and help out communities?

 

[heathgate]

Perfect, sadly it will never happen, the so called 'progressive generations' all talk a good game, but the reality is that the majority are not motivated by community, or even society, it's grasping, hands out entitlement that motivates them.

 

[Guinness Boy]

It has been suggested elsewhere that Laura K has lost her balanced approach and even-handedness and has become a strange doe-eyed sunk-buddy. Is this the case?

Absolutely. Always been a Tory. Not even hiding it now.

 

[Stato]

'Rishi we're becoming a minority party.'

'What does that mean?'

'We're only supported by about 20% of voters and everybody else hates us.'

'We had better come up with something that ensures that our 20% don't ditch us then. We'll promise to bring back National Service.'

'What about trying to attract some of the other 80%?'

'No point in that. They all hate us.'

'Okay. National Service it is. How are we going to pay for it?'

'Doesn't matter. We won't have to do it because only 20% are going to vote for us.'

'Brilliant! It's no wonder this party definitely chose you as its first and only choice for leader.'

 

[cunning fergus]

When all of the politicians and the wealthy sign up their sons and daughters first!!
It is they who choose the enemy and then escalate, choosing battle over diplomacy, while sitting safe in their luxury underground bunkers which the British tax payer and those who they want to fight and die has paid for.

Indeed, my old mum, had an intense dislike of the now deceased MP Shirley Williams (amongst others) for exactly that sentiment. Shirley’s wealthy parents packed her off to the US in the war, along with over 13,000 other kids whose parents were rich enough to do so without any Govt assistance.

The issue was so toxic at the time, as plenty of MPs and establishment types were packing off their kids to “family” in the US and Canada that the Govt introduced a system for kids of poor backgrounds, however that stopped after the Germans torpedoed the City of Benares.

I think Churchill and others were never fans of the system as it undermined the “fight them on the beaches” message.

 

[Peteinblack]

Perfect, sadly it will never happen, the so called 'progressive generations' all talk a good game, but the reality is that the majority are not motivated by community, or even society, it's grasping, hands out entitlement that motivates them.

Reflecting 40 years of government-driven selfishness, "there is no such thing as society", look-after-number-one-and-sod-everyone-else, rampant individualism, perhaps?

Young people who do care about others, or their community - or the future of the Planet, are sneered at for being Woke.

To today's hard-faced, stone-hearted, Tories, concern or compassion for anyone other than the mega-rich is considered weakness.

 

[cunning fergus]

There is no way the parents of little Poppy & Rupert are ever going to let them go to an army camp, Christ they don’t let them walk to school by themselves.
Sunak has lost the plot he’s alienated the parents of the Poppy & Rupert’s who probably would have voted Tory.

Imagine the parents of little Mohammed and Alisha if we had to send them to Yemen or Iran to fight………..actually thinking about it if we did square up with a Muslim country it might safer there.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

That will help when the Russians Invade

Civil service was an option, and this guy was much older than the norm as he’d worked overseas till he was nearly 30. The majority of 18 year olds much prefer the military option. You often see them on trains, excitable groups of uniformed kids off to camp to play soldiers for a couple of weeks.

 

[Motogull]

Well, anything to try and ensure you get the votes of the strangely sentimental for the olden days types. And those potentially switching to Reform.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Absolutely. Always been a Tory. Not even hiding it now.

And of course many Tories have always accused her of being a 'leftie'. It’s how these things work. Trying to be even handed always has this result. Each side picks up only on those comments or guests that make them bristle, ignoring the things they agree with. Confirmation bias.

 

[cunning fergus]

Absolutely pandering to those shitstalga Twitter accounts that recall “yesterday’s Britain” by showing a picture of lots of white people and a Union flag, and not mentioning rationing was still a thing when it was taken.

Interesting, so the take away (no pun intended) from this sentiment is when this country was poverty stricken, as it was, in the aftermath of WW2 we were not over run by freeloaders.

Maybe re-introducing rationing would be a cheaper and more effective alternative to the Rwanda initiative. It worked before.