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[News] Should we Bring Back National Service? Sunak says YES.

Would you support a Form of Military Service? If so, what kind?

  • No, not in any form

    Votes: 223 54.0%
  • One month, as a voluntary, community based scheme

    Votes: 20 4.8%
  • One year, voluntary, community based scheme

    Votes: 42 10.2%
  • Voluntary military service for 12 months

    Votes: 23 5.6%
  • Compulsory community based military service for one month

    Votes: 26 6.3%
  • Compulsory military service for 12 months

    Votes: 82 19.9%
  • How old are you - 18-24

    Votes: 10 2.4%
  • 25-49

    Votes: 83 20.1%
  • 50-64

    Votes: 121 29.3%
  • 65+

    Votes: 59 14.3%

  • Total voters
    413


BadFish

Huge Member
Oct 19, 2003
18,060
Bonkers - but never having done it themselves is irrelevant. Too many lawyers would get very rich and wreck the country - just before heading off to tax havens - protecting the human rights of stroppy entitled teenagers who didn't like the word 'must'.

Equally bonkers. Really, it should never even have been given to 18 year olds - 21 is quite old enough (or young enough) to vote.
And if Brexit taught us anything that right should be taken away at 60.
 
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Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
55,710
Faversham
18 to 24 yr olds don't vote tory in huge numbers.

This is aimed at the 45 plus reform UK vote.

What is in the small print is that this (the 2.5bn it's expected to cost) will be funded from the sovereign prosperity fund which was previously earmarked for the levelling up agenda.

The military service part is bonkers enough (the military themselves don't support it) but the 25 days community service is dreamt up by someone who has never tried to organise a group of teenagers to do work experience.

But laura k has said this is the 1st big policy idea of the campaign and hasn't even tried to spot these items. (As for 1st big policy idea, coming on the same day as labour stated they wanted to give 16 and 17 yr olds the vote, is stretching it somewhat)
It has been suggested elsewhere that Laura K has lost her balanced approach and even-handedness and has become a strange doe-eyed sunk-buddy. Is this the case?
 


BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
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macbeth

Dismembered
Jan 3, 2018
4,157
six feet beneath the moon
Bonkers - but never having done it themselves is irrelevant. Too many lawyers would get very rich and wreck the country - just before heading off to tax havens - protecting the human rights of stroppy entitled teenagers who didn't like the word 'must'.

Equally bonkers. Really, it should never even have been given to 18 year olds - 21 is quite old enough (or young enough) to vote.

yes it is relevant. why should today’s 18 year olds be gleefully volunteered for national service by older generations that said generations haven’t had to do it themselves? is it because they’re ‘stroppy and entitled’ and more lacking in disciple or whatever than their elders? that narrative, which is the narrative that the tories are angling towards with this policy, whether they openly say it or not, is absolute bollocks. show me the evidence that says today’s teenagers are any more entitled than those of previous generations
 










sydney

tinky ****in winky
Jul 11, 2003
17,965
town full of eejits
It's a complex meddly of dickheads.

You're spot on, but you need other dickheads to fall for it . . . Someone suggested recently, the tories will run away with 15 years of carnage left behind, and give Labour ( or whoever) 15 weeks to fix the lot, before sticking the knives back in . . .
i'm not sure the country can be fixed to be honest , it has been bankrupted by blatant rinsing and political idiocy , it's a mess.
 




Blue3

Well-known member
Jan 27, 2014
5,826
Lancing
Desperate act to win back to the foaming at the mouth Reform UK voter support this really is the final death screams of this Conservative government, the opposition needs to do and say nothing for the next six weeks just sit and watch this Tory self destruct show
 


Mr deez

Masterchef
Jan 13, 2005
3,536
Utter bullshit - as if youngsters are the problem...

Given the Tories have driven out the international workforce we rely on we also need these people working not being sent away on a gammon training course.
 






Hamilton

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Jul 7, 2003
12,931
Brighton
But it only costs £2.5billion a year!

Money we don’t have the Tories have consistently claimed.

But hang on. There’s 720,000 18-year-olds in the UK, so that’s £3,500 per head.

The Tories were claiming that there were 100,000 asylum seekers in the Uk costing us £4,300 a month per head to house (treat these figures with care.)

So, I’m failing to see how we are going to offer all our 18-year-olds access to a scheme for the pipe dream amounts he mentions.

He is making this up as he goes along.

Perhaps instead spend the money on vocational courses young people need, and scrap zero hours contracts, and make housing more affordable, and maybe give young people access to work across Europe again.
 


Hamilton

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Jul 7, 2003
12,931
Brighton
I agree.

Some of the elements of Sunak’s proposal are potentially something worth considering but any form of compulsory scheme, whether it be military service or community is surely an own goal as far as this Election?



I think there is a strong argument for 18 year olds having the right to vote if they are old enough to die for their Country.

I don’t know about 16-18 year olds - it would be interesting to do a poll of that age group on Sunak’s National Service proposals. In fact why not make the National Service schemes purely voluntary and let 18 year olds decide for themselves how they want to spend a gap year. Or give them a referendum 😉 -

I just think they should have the choice.
You are right.

Mandatory is entirely wrong.

If they want to sent up a scheme linked to some form of vocational qualification, that’s different. But as you and I know, Sunak has no idea. He’s literally woken up this morning and thought, “what can I make up now.”

It’s not even been costed for properly.
 






TomandJerry

Well-known member
Oct 1, 2013
12,323
Sounds more like a Dad's Army thing....

Rishi Sunak has announced that a future Conservative government would bring back mandatory national service, as he attempted to reignite his election campaign after an error-strewn start.

Under the plan, which appeared to be his latest attempt to reduce Tory losses by winning over voters drifting to Reform UK, the prime minister late Saturday said that every 18-year-old would have to spend time in a competitive, full-time military commission or spend one weekend a month volunteering in “civil resilience”.
 


Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
yes it is relevant. why should today’s 18 year olds be gleefully volunteered for national service by older generations that said generations haven’t had to do it themselves? is it because they’re ‘stroppy and entitled’ and more lacking in disciple or whatever than their elders? that narrative, which is the narrative that the tories are angling towards with this policy, whether they openly say it or not, is absolute bollocks. show me the evidence that says today’s teenagers are any more entitled than those of previous generations
This was written in 1907, and has been wrongly attributed to Socrates, but was referring to ancient Greeks and Romans.

“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
 


Littlemo

Well-known member
Aug 25, 2022
1,691
You are right.

Mandatory is entirely wrong.

If they want to sent up a scheme linked to some form of vocational qualification, that’s different. But as you and I know, Sunak has no idea. He’s literally woken up this morning and thought, “what can I make up now.”

It’s not even been costed for properly.

I’m sure it will have been costed out ages ago. The business owning friends and families of the Tories will have long worked out what all those volunteers doing their “Work” in their business will save them in wages.
 


Guinness Boy

Tofu eating wokerati
Helpful Moderator
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Jul 23, 2003
37,204
Up and Coming Sunny Portslade
Absolutely pandering to those shitstalga Twitter accounts that recall “yesterday’s Britain” by showing a picture of lots of white people and a Union flag, and not mentioning rationing was still a thing when it was taken.
 




BBassic

I changed this.
Jul 28, 2011
12,984
If the young generation are lazy or feckless or whatever nonsense is being levied at them the fault lies with their parents, no?

Send the parents off for national service. Lead by example.

It's just nuts. A desperate act by a desperate man. Yet another idiotic idea that won't happen. Got us all talking about it though, eh?
 




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