Should We Bring Back Capital Punsishment

[Nibble]

It's quite interesting that these debates always crop up in times of economic pressure. Death penalty, immigration, benefit "cheats". It's all very carefuly engineered by government spin doctors and some media outlets to distract us from the true villains. And no, not a conspiracy just my thoughts on the matter.

 

[El Presidente]

It's quite interesting that these debates always crop up in times of economic pressure. Death penalty, immigration, benefit "cheats". It's all very carefuly engineered by government spin doctors and some media outlets to distract us from the true villains. And no, not a conspiracy just my thoughts on the matter.

One of the greatest talents of the rich and powerful is their ability to turn the masses against each other at time of economic distress and discontent.

At the same time we (the masses) fall for it every time, the recession was not caused by people on benefits, immigrants, the sick or the infirm. they have more to lose than those who were responsible. Yet our first targets in any debate these days are such disadvantaged individuals and groups.

Anyone who questions the lack of egalitarianism coming from the rich to the poor is accused of being bitter and envious, the implication being that we should be grateful for the rich being there in the first place.

A classic example is the tax system, at a time of cutbacks, George Osborne brings down the rate of tax for the richest in society. Anyone who questions this is cast as a lentil eating sponger off society as a whole.

Do I want to pay 50% tax on my earnings? No
Do I want to earn £200k a week? Yes
Can I afford to pay an extra 5% on my earnings, so that my weekly take home pay is £110,000 a week, instead of £100,000 a week? Probably.

Politics of envy? Hmmm.

 

[SeagullinExile]

Yeah...why don't we remove the womans vote and open up the workhouses again while were at it.

 

[User removed 4]

The best evidence for this is the USA, as in some states the death penalty exists, and in others it does not.

The statistical evidence indicates that the death penalty has a zero deterrent effect.

No it doesnt, this is disingenuous to say the least, it compares states with high standards of living and no death penalty, to poorer states with the penalty, making no allowance for social and economic conditions , and there is also no way to quantify the amount of people who the death penalty DOES deter, only those who it DOESNT.

 

[Nibble]

I can only imagine that if someone is enraged enough to kill someone or that way inclined in general that any penalty would be irrelevant to them at the moment of killing.

 

[User removed 4]

So you'd be happy (in theory) for a white English person to exact a brutal, outdated, horrific form of punishment on you or your fellow countrymen but object to the idea of a foreigner doing the same? You're a living, breathing cliche.

where on earth have I mentioned foreigners or white english people or whatever is going on in your camp, resting (failed) actors head, seriously , what on earth has any of that got to do with what i asked ??

 

[Nibble]

Well, you have posted in other threads saying that you think Sharia Law is a bad thing to foist on people. Isn't the death penalty the same?

 

[User removed 4]

why isnt it?

There put there to protect us, go out every day and put there life's on the line protecting us every day,then they get ambushed like this. Joe blogs would not have been called into a situation like this, only a policeman or another member of the emergency services.

There her to protect us so i would say killing them in such a callus act is greater then killing you or me in the street.

They really , really dont.

 

[User removed 4]

bushy, I agree with you. Write it down, because it'll never happen again.

 

[User removed 4]

It's quite interesting that these debates always crop up in times of economic pressure. Death penalty, immigration, benefit "cheats". It's all very carefuly engineered by government spin doctors and some media outlets to distract us from the true villains. And no, not a conspiracy just my thoughts on the matter.

Nothing to do with a very ,very high profile police murder then ?

 

[User removed 4]

Well, you have posted in other threads saying that you think Sharia Law is a bad thing to foist on people. Isn't the death penalty the same?

Seriously, grow up mate.

 

[Nibble]

Nothing to do with a very ,very high profile police murder then ?

Oh don't get me wrong, that is clearly the catalyst for this discussion, I was meaning in general. Not saying it's fact it's just an interesting way of interpreting some of the debates that come to the fore in life when times are hard, similar to the way certain types of films or books become popular in differing econmic periods and climates.

 

[Nibble]

Seriously, grow up mate.

Well, honestly, what is the difference, in your opinion?

 

[GreersElbow]

No, my reasoning is that prison should be a living hell. If we removed our affiliation with the ECHR, and remove rights for prisoners we can then literally make prison be that living hell.

If a prisoner commits an atrocity such as the murder of the two WPCs, then they will expect death and ultimately accept it, it would be what they would want. Ian Huntley has tried committing suicide twice, this shows he is living in hell in his own cell. The idea of grotty cells, poor treatment, disgusting food etc should be a deterrent. Instead, what we have currently gives essentially an alternative to the real world many of us live in.

1) Remove their rights
2) Remove luxuries
3) Remove parole for murder
4) Move all prisoners serving life to one prison and begin to categorically place prisoners from less likely to re offend to the more likely. This will enable prisons to put more time into rehabilitation for those that can be turned around, the money will be more beneficial if they prove to have skills and the determination to get back into a job and live a life the law-abiding way. The budget shouldn't be increased, but more scaled out to those who are more likely to benefit from education and training in skills. The budget for the worst prisoners would be as minimal as possible to ensure they do not get luxuries and live a life they will regret.

That's my thoughts.

 

[Falkor]

They really , really dont.

Ofcourse they do, how can you say they don't, bushy you have not got a good thing to say about the police half the time, so arguing with you is pointless why your on ignore.

 

[User removed 4]

Well, honestly, what is the difference, in your opinion?

The fact that I have advocated a theoretical but not practical support for capital punishment makes me a hypocrite because I object to a mediaeval form of justice , which discriminates against women, is inhumane to say the least and has no proper checks and balances ? As I said, see my other post , in which I offer advice as to your maturity.

 

[Nibble]

No, my reasoning is that prison should be a living hell. If we removed our affiliation with the ECHR, and remove rights for prisoners we can then literally make prison be that living hell.

If a prisoner commits an atrocity such as the murder of the two WPCs, then they will expect death and ultimately accept it, it would be what they would want. Ian Huntley has tried committing suicide twice, this shows he is living in hell in his own cell. The idea of grotty cells, poor treatment, disgusting food etc should be a deterrent. Instead, what we have currently gives essentially an alternative to the real world many of us live in.

1) Remove their rights
2) Remove luxuries
3) Remove parole for murder
4) Move all prisoners serving life to one prison and begin to categorically place prisoners from less likely to re offend to the more likely. This will enable prisons to put more time into rehabilitation for those that can be turned around, the money will be more beneficial if they prove to have skills and the determination to get back into a job and live a life the law-abiding way. The budget shouldn't be increased, but more scaled out to those who are more likely to benefit from education and training in skills. The budget for the worst prisoners would be as minimal as possible to ensure they do not get luxuries and live a life they will regret.

That's my thoughts.

I could go with that, esp the last point.

 

[User removed 4]

Ofcourse they do, how can you say they don't, bushy you have not got a good thing to say about the police half the time, so arguing with you is pointless why your on ignore.

I'm obviously not, or you wouldnt have replied to my post would you ??

 

[Nibble]

The fact that I have advocated a theoretical but not practical support for capital punishment makes me a hypocrite because I object to a mediaeval form of justice , which discriminates against women, is inhumane to say the least and has no proper checks and balances ? As I said, see my other post , in which I offer advice as to your maturity.

I take your point about the larger implications of the laws but I still find your stance is flawed when compared to some of your previous posts. I'm not sure your opinion on my maturity will be taken with quite the same credence.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

No it doesnt, this is disingenuous to say the least, it compares states with high standards of living and no death penalty, to poorer states with the penalty, making no allowance for social and economic conditions , and there is also no way to quantify the amount of people who the death penalty DOES deter, only those who it DOESNT.

The best comparator is for murder rates before and after a change in use of the death penalty.