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Should Tube leaders go to prison?
- Thread starter DataPoint
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Total rubbish.
How are they holding the nation to ransom?
I'm working in the City at present, there was the hilarious sight of hundreds of 50 something bankers earlier this morning riding Boris Bikes to work, wobbling along the road, but everyone is in, and all set to don their vampire squid masks.
You can blame [MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] for that, as he has regaled that precise image via email on a number of occasions.
Tee Hee!
yxee
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Care to explain? £50,000 is a very good wage anywhere, especially if you only need a few GCSEs.
Because when they strike, thousands of people cannot get to work. That has a significant cost to the UK economy. Is this not obvious?
Hopefully, yes.
Stumpy Tim
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You see, this is utterly contemptible. When did YOU last "resign" because an employer fundamentally changed your working conditions?
It's got nothing to do with Boris, but as usual, he's full square behind the bullying employers. And I didn't say it was a party political thing. If you ask me, people like Boris Johnson should be keeping their mouths shut when it comes to disputes like this.
Never, but I've had small changes in working conditions, where I've been out of pocket, and stayed. Why is this utterly contemptible? You sound like Billy Bragg FFS
This is why [MENTION=31796]alfredmizen[/MENTION] has said what he said. If I was an employer and said to you "You now need to go to Glasgow twice a week to do your job but you''ll clear an extra tenner a week." and you replied "no deal", would you expect people to have sympathy with you, or would you expect them to ask "What are you whinging about? Isn't £xxxk enough already?" Because that's what you're implying here.
I have no idea what people will think. I assume some people will sympathise & some wouldn't. If I wasn't happy I would resign. At Trend I did have to move offices, which left me out of pocket but I carried on working there as I enjoyed it. If I didn't I would have resigned & not had a "six-figure pay-off".
Your argument is all over the place. At best, a straw man argument You honestly want to compare people exercising their right to strike over forcibly having their working conditions altered to Greek mismanagement of an entire economy, including a bloated public sector and ludicrously early retirement for all?
It isn't all over the place because you say it is. Tremendously poor debating tactics there. In Greece they got into trouble partly because they were overpaying the public sector. If the Underground staff get massive pay rises, who is next?
It's got nothing to do with Boris, but as usual, he's full square behind the bullying employers. And I didn't say it was a party political thing. If you ask me, people like Boris Johnson should be keeping their mouths shut when it comes to disputes like this.
Never, but I've had small changes in working conditions, where I've been out of pocket, and stayed. Why is this utterly contemptible? You sound like Billy Bragg FFS
This is why [MENTION=31796]alfredmizen[/MENTION] has said what he said. If I was an employer and said to you "You now need to go to Glasgow twice a week to do your job but you''ll clear an extra tenner a week." and you replied "no deal", would you expect people to have sympathy with you, or would you expect them to ask "What are you whinging about? Isn't £xxxk enough already?" Because that's what you're implying here.
I have no idea what people will think. I assume some people will sympathise & some wouldn't. If I wasn't happy I would resign. At Trend I did have to move offices, which left me out of pocket but I carried on working there as I enjoyed it. If I didn't I would have resigned & not had a "six-figure pay-off".
Your argument is all over the place. At best, a straw man argument You honestly want to compare people exercising their right to strike over forcibly having their working conditions altered to Greek mismanagement of an entire economy, including a bloated public sector and ludicrously early retirement for all?
It isn't all over the place because you say it is. Tremendously poor debating tactics there. In Greece they got into trouble partly because they were overpaying the public sector. If the Underground staff get massive pay rises, who is next?
Ah, so we have a banker of all people suggesting the tube drivers are being greedy and should be grateful for their jobs. Remarkable !!!!!
You've negated your own argument.
No, Tim isn't a banker. I was just highlighting an IT worker in the banking sector getting a tidy pay off.
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Since when has earnings dictated your class ?
Stumpy Tim
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I'm not a banker, I haven't said tube drivers are greedy, and I haven't said they should be grateful for their jobs. Apart from that, tremendous post
Yes I will explain. Salary doesn't change your class at all IMHO. As much as I hate the class system it does exist, but it's based on your beliefs, traditions and values and not your income. Hence you can have posh people who are skint and wealthy people who are quite rough. I have not idea what class train drivers are, although I could guess, but just because they earn 50k it doesn't make them middle class by default.
As an aside I do not like it when people change their attitudes, class or politics based on their fortune. I'd be very disappointed if the train drivers were all suddenly middle-class due to a pay rise. Stick to what you believe in.
Quite.
Quite.
Bob Crow RIP
Nibble
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The only real power most have is the ability to withdraw their labour. It does no harm to remind people of that every now and again. They're not holding the public to ransom because they're not asking anything from the public except to be patient while they exercise their legal right.
No matter how many fancy meals YOU can afford, we all know you're common as muck
Nibble
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Ludicrous post.
yxee
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Okay, but on that salary they'll not be living in a council house, give it one generation and they'll be middle class for sure.