[Politics] Should Lewis Hamilton be knighted?

[GOM]

According to HMRC Lewis Hamilton is in the top 5000 tax payers in the UK

'HMRC's UK Income Tax Liabilities Statistics, published in 2019, puts Hamilton among the top 5,000 highest tax payers in the UK.'

ref https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...ghthood-toto-wolff-honours-list-b1780786.html

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

According to HMRC Lewis Hamilton is in the top 5000 tax payers in the UK

'HMRC's UK Income Tax Liabilities Statistics, published in 2019, puts Hamilton among the top 5,000 highest tax payers in the UK.'

ref https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...ghthood-toto-wolff-honours-list-b1780786.html

This thread is like Groundhog Day.

I read somewhere up the thread that in three of his seven world championship wins he had easily the best car. That's a bit like saying than in three of his league and cup double wins, the most successful manager in the history of football had the best players.

Anyway, anyone can see he doesn't deserve a knightood. Know what I mean? Nudge, nudge

 

[getreal1]

Well deserved. The tax exile argument is strong but this is an Englishman who has achieved amazing things at a challenging sport. Delighted.

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[Weststander]

It's not about choosing to live abroad in and of itself. It's about choosing to live somewhere (or make arrangements so that you are registered somewhere) that allows you to deny paying your fair share to the very state that is awarding you this honour.

This, coupled by the fact that his big 'achievement' is driving cars very fast, means I wouldn't have given him a knighthood.

LH pays full UK taxes and national insurance on his UK income, which would include his £40m Mercedes salary. That’s £19m annually in taxes, minimum.

As a resident of an overseas tax jurisdiction, he doesn't pay UK taxes on his non-UK earnings. I’ve never heard anyone suggest that he should, other than a handful of LH haters on NSC.

All above board with no tax evasion, dodgy avoidance or manipulation. Whilst others such as the Green’s get a dividend paid to overseas resident Lady Green, swerving most UK taxes.

It’s notable that a few NSC’ers with no interest at any other time in the tax system or ex-pats such as Connery, Stewart, Faldo, Poulter, Coultard, only do so when it’s the black guy who has the balls to talk about racism. But never a peep about the very long list of honoured ex-pats.

 

[Tesco in Disguise]

LH pays full UK taxes and national insurance on his UK income, which would include his £40m Mercedes salary. That’s £19m annually in taxes, minimum.

As a resident of an overseas tax jurisdiction, he doesn't pay UK taxes on his non-UK earnings. I’ve never heard anyone suggest that he should, other than a handful of LH haters on NSC.

All above board with no tax evasion, dodgy avoidance or manipulation. Whilst others such as the Green’s get a dividend paid to overseas resident Lady Green, swerving most UK taxes.

It’s notable that a few NSC’ers with no interest at any other time in the tax system or ex-pats such as Connery, Stewart, Faldo, Poulter, Coultard, only do so when it’s the black guy who has the balls to talk about racism. But never a peep about the very long list of honoured ex-pats.

He's not just "resident of an overseas tax jurisdiction." He's British, but has moved his affairs from the country in which he was raised so that he pays as little back as possible.

He avoided paying taxes on his private jet using an Isle of Man scheme, setting up seemingly artificial leasing businesses through which he rented his own jets from himself.

He used shell companies in the British Virgin Islands (BVI), the Isle of Man and Guernsey to avoid paying tax.

He has lived as a tax exile since 2007, first in Switzerland and now in Monaco.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...-taxes-jet-isle-of-man-scheme-paradise-papers

I'm not suggesting he's done anything illegal, but his behaviour is questionable at best and immoral at worst, and not the sort of thing we should be condoning through the British honours system.

 

[Hampster Gull]

He's not just "resident of an overseas tax jurisdiction." He's British, but has moved his affairs from the country in which he was raised so that he pays as little back as possible.

He avoided paying taxes on his private jet using an Isle of Man scheme, setting up seemingly artificial leasing businesses through which he rented his own jets from himself.

He used shell companies in the British Virgin Islands (BVI), the Isle of Man and Guernsey to avoid paying tax.

He has lived as a tax exile since 2007, first in Switzerland and now in Monaco.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...-taxes-jet-isle-of-man-scheme-paradise-papers

I'm not suggesting he's done anything illegal, but his behaviour is questionable at best and immoral at worst, and not the sort of thing we should be condoning through the British honours system.

The honours system is from a family that had close ties to the Nazis and that only starting paying taxes in what, the 1990s, i think someone choosing to spend some of their time abroad and pay the appropriate tax is fine.

 

[rogersix]

He's not just "resident of an overseas tax jurisdiction." He's British, but has moved his affairs from the country in which he was raised so that he pays as little back as possible.

He avoided paying taxes on his private jet using an Isle of Man scheme, setting up seemingly artificial leasing businesses through which he rented his own jets from himself.

He used shell companies in the British Virgin Islands (BVI), the Isle of Man and Guernsey to avoid paying tax.

He has lived as a tax exile since 2007, first in Switzerland and now in Monaco.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...-taxes-jet-isle-of-man-scheme-paradise-papers

I'm not suggesting he's done anything illegal, but his behaviour is questionable at best and immoral at worst, and not the sort of thing we should be condoning through the British honours system.

the point being raised is why aren't you highlighting all the white folk who avoid lots of tax, like david cameroon's dad; have you heard of the panama papers?

 

[drew]

He's not just "resident of an overseas tax jurisdiction." He's British, but has moved his affairs from the country in which he was raised so that he pays as little back as possible.

He avoided paying taxes on his private jet using an Isle of Man scheme, setting up seemingly artificial leasing businesses through which he rented his own jets from himself.

He used shell companies in the British Virgin Islands (BVI), the Isle of Man and Guernsey to avoid paying tax.

He has lived as a tax exile since 2007, first in Switzerland and now in Monaco.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...-taxes-jet-isle-of-man-scheme-paradise-papers

I'm not suggesting he's done anything illegal, but his behaviour is questionable at best and immoral at worst, and not the sort of thing we should be condoning through the British honours system.

Exactly what tax affairs has he moved overseas that you find questionable? Where would you live, Stevenage or Monaco? There is nothing questionable about his behaviour other than from those that have issues with the colour of his skin!!!

 

[drew]

It's not about choosing to live abroad in and of itself. It's about choosing to live somewhere (or make arrangements so that you are registered somewhere) that allows you to deny paying your fair share to the very state that is awarding you this honour.

This, coupled by the fact that his big 'achievement' is driving cars very fast, means I wouldn't have given him a knighthood.

So you're saying a Brit should pay any tax only to the country of his birth! He shouldn't pay any taxes to the country where he or she has decided to live, despite making use of their roads, other infrastructure etc etc. (unless of course your caucasian and then it's alright).

 

[Tesco in Disguise]

the point being raised is why aren't you highlighting all the white folk who avoid lots of tax, like david cameroon's dad; have you heard of the panama papers?

Read the thread title.

 

[Tesco in Disguise]

So you're saying a Brit should pay any tax only to the country of his birth! He shouldn't pay any taxes to the country where he or she has decided to live, despite making use of their roads, other infrastructure etc etc. (unless of course your caucasian and then it's alright).

No. But what is it that makes Switzerland and Monaco so attractive?

 

[Weststander]

He's not just "resident of an overseas tax jurisdiction." He's British, but has moved his affairs from the country in which he was raised so that he pays as little back as possible.

He avoided paying taxes on his private jet using an Isle of Man scheme, setting up seemingly artificial leasing businesses through which he rented his own jets from himself.

He used shell companies in the British Virgin Islands (BVI), the Isle of Man and Guernsey to avoid paying tax.

He has lived as a tax exile since 2007, first in Switzerland and now in Monaco.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...-taxes-jet-isle-of-man-scheme-paradise-papers

I'm not suggesting he's done anything illegal, but his behaviour is questionable at best and immoral at worst, and not the sort of thing we should be condoning through the British honours system.

Moved his affairs, no. He physically moved, living outside the UK for the majority of the year.

That's not irmmoral, people can choose to live overseas for most of the year.

He pays full UK tax and NIC for his UK income, £19m minimum. Whilst others including ex-pats manipulate or exploit the system in various ways.

Then:
1. Dozens of much loved UK born sportsmen, business and celebs who are also not UK resident, also received UK honours. Never as much as a peep on NSC when that happened in the life of NSC.
2. Hundreds of much loved UK sportsmen, TV presenters and football managers, partook in tax avoidance schemes, some proved a sham. Many of the people have honours including knighthoods. Now all paying the tax back with penalties, some squealing to the media with crocodile tears. UK residents the whole time, yet they attempted to swerve their full whack of UK taxes. Barely a mention on NSC.

Why the singular interest in LH? Why NOT in none of the above, many if whom are incredibly famous?

 

[Icy Gull]

Just want to say that Jackie Stewart RAVED about Hamilton becoming Sir Lewis Hamilton. What about that eh [MENTION=2719]Mouldy Boots[/MENTION] ?

This thread has served it’s purpose. Arise Sir Lewis

 

[Icy Gull]

No. But what is it that makes Switzerland and Monaco so attractive?

Are you having a laugh? Monaco, if you have money has to be Paradise imo

 

[beorhthelm]

He's not just "resident of an overseas tax jurisdiction." He's British, but has moved his affairs from the country in which he was raised so that he pays as little back as possible.

He avoided paying taxes on his private jet using an Isle of Man scheme, setting up seemingly artificial leasing businesses through which he rented his own jets from himself.

He used shell companies in the British Virgin Islands (BVI), the Isle of Man and Guernsey to avoid paying tax.

He has lived as a tax exile since 2007, first in Switzerland and now in Monaco.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...-taxes-jet-isle-of-man-scheme-paradise-papers

I'm not suggesting he's done anything illegal, but his behaviour is questionable at best and immoral at worst, and not the sort of thing we should be condoning through the British honours system.

always amusing to have an argument about tax avoidance cite the tax avoiding Guardian.

 

[rogersix]

Read the thread title.

eh?

 

[Deleted member 2719]

https://www.planetf1.com/news/jenson-button-exclusive/

Button on Hamilton, it may excite you or even annoy you.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

No. But what is it that makes Switzerland and Monaco so attractive?

Switzerland it’s the mountains....the rest is dull. Monaco the sunshine and no chavs.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Moved his affairs, no. He physically moved, living outside the UK for the majority of the year.

That's not irmmoral, people can choose to live overseas for most of the year.

He pays full UK tax and NIC for his UK income, £19m minimum. Whilst others including ex-pats manipulate or exploit the system in various ways.

Then:
1. Dozens of much loved UK born sportsmen, business and celebs who are also not UK resident, also received UK honours. Never as much as a peep on NSC when that happened in the life of NSC.
2. Hundreds of much loved UK sportsmen, TV presenters and football managers, partook in tax avoidance schemes, some proved a sham. Many of the people have honours including knighthoods. Now all paying the tax back with penalties, some squealing to the media with crocodile tears. UK residents the whole time, yet they attempted to swerve their full whack of UK taxes. Barely a mention on NSC.

Why the singular interest in LH? Why NOT in none of the above, many if whom are incredibly famous?

Racism.

Which will be hotly denied.

This thread is like groundgog day.

 

[Icy Gull]

https://www.planetf1.com/news/jenson-button-exclusive/

Button on Hamilton, it may excite you or even annoy you.

Good article, he makes some good points and speaks from experience of having actually been in the same team. Thanks for posting