Should Capello

[Trigger]

Wait till Wednesday and he can come home with his mates.

 

[Chesney Christ]

This piece from the Independent gives another view (and it refers to Terry taking his seat with the newspaper reporters).

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/england-divided-how-terry-tried-to-organise-coup-against-capello-2006139.html

Well there is some total fabrication in that.

This quote for example:

Terry became ever more indiscreet. "You don't see the side of him [Capello] storming around the dressing room kicking and throwing things," Terry said. "He shows that real passion." Was that a compliment or a criticism?

What a disgrace. What Terry actually said in full, was this:

"He shows that real passion. That is what he demands from us. He knows we've got the ability, which is probably why he gets so frustrated. I firmly believe he's the right man to take us forward. I have 100% confidence in the manager."

The English Media = Scum of The Earth.

 

[dolphin123]

Well there is some total fabrication in that.

This quote for example:

Terry became ever more indiscreet. "You don't see the side of him [Capello] storming around the dressing room kicking and throwing things," Terry said. "He shows that real passion." Was that a compliment or a criticism?

What a disgrace. What Terry actually said in full, was this:

"He shows that real passion. That is what he demands from us. He knows we've got the ability, which is probably why he gets so frustrated. I firmly believe he's the right man to take us forward. I have 100% confidence in the manager."

The English Media = Scum of The Earth.

End off

 

[JonathanLivingstonSeagull]

This utter piece of SPUTUM is in The Mail today:
WORLD CUP 2010: It's mutiny! John Terry fails in plot to undermine Fabio Capello | Mail Online


It's mutiny! John Terry fails in plot to undermine Fabio Capello

SPECIAL REPORT By Matt Lawton
Last updated at 11:23 AM on 21st June 2010

Four months after being stripped of the England captaincy, John Terry tried to assume the role of player-manager here on Sunday. At least that was how it looked, how it felt.

Terry appeared to be leading some kind of coup — an uprising against Fabio Capello that would challenge the Italian’s authority and see the players take control before it was too late.

Another disappointing performance against Slovenia on Wednesday will probably see England fail to progress from what was supposed to be an easy group in this World Cup.

Undermining the boss: John Terry appeared to be leading an uprising against Fabio Capello during the defenders press conference

Terry was made available at a morning Press conference during which he stunned FA bosses and team-mates by revealing plans for a crisis meeting on Sunday night. He suggested what would be said, even if Capello did not want to hear what the players had to say.

On a day when Terry’s Chelsea clubmate Nicolas Anelka was sent home for indiscipline by France, the former England captain even accepted that players might run the risk of being kicked out of an unhappy camp.

‘Maybe a few of us will be sent home after this evening,’ he said.

It was astonishing. The most extraordinary England press conference since Kevin Keegan announced in 2001 he had just resigned as manager in a Wembley toilet.

It had echoes of Italia ’90, when the players responded to two draws in their opening two games by going to Bobby Robson and informing him of their desire to switch to a 3-5-2 formation that took them to the semi-finals. Robson always insisted it was his idea. From the players, however, came a conflicting version of events.

Here in South Africa, there would be no such doubts. If England now switch to the 4-5-1 formation that Terry endorsed on Sunday — a formation that would see Wayne Rooney play as a lone striker with Joe Cole on the left and skipper Steven Gerrard in a central attacking role — it would be because the players had demanded as much.

‘If it upsets him [Capello] then I’m on the verge of just saying, “You know what? So what, I’m here to win it for England”,’ said Terry.

The players, he suggested, were going to rip up the Capello rule-book and have a beer when they fancied one; tell the celebrated Italian manager how they now wanted to play; tell him that things were going to change. Even that they wanted a man ‘at the near post’ on set-pieces. complete fabrication !

Like it or lump it, Fabio. This is our World Cup too. And he said he was speaking for everyone.
He NEVER said that

‘I’m here on behalf of the players,’ he insisted. Only he wasn’t. He was not acting on behalf of the players but committing what, for Terry this year, amounted to yet another serious error of judgment.

A performance that was impressive but only because it was so wonderfully Machiavellian. On Sunday, Terry succeeded in backing the manager while completely undermining him in the same breath.

‘I have 100 per cent confidence in the manager,’ he declared even though pretty much everything else he said suggested otherwise.

Within a couple of hours of Terry’s meeting with the media came communication from within the England hotel. The players were furious that he had dragged them into such a situation, just as they were incredulous that he had disclosed the details of their drink after the dismal goalless draw with Algeria on Friday night.

It was quickly being referred to as the ‘Cape Town Coup’ but that was not an interpretation that was shared by those, Terry aside, who were there.

‘I went to see Franco (Baldini) after the game and said, “Look, let everyone have a beer and speak to the manager. Flippin’ hell, let’s just switch off”,’ he revealed.

Holding them off: Terry knows he is practically irreplaceable on the pitch because of the injuries to other key defenders
‘Eight players sat there talking about the game. It was good to get things off our chest and express how we felt. The discussions between the players will stay private but it was really nice to unwind and get things off our chest.

'There was me, Lamps, Wazza, Aaron Lennon, Jamo, Crouchy, Johnno, Jamie Carragher, Stevie, probably a couple more. I’ll probably get in trouble for saying this.’

He was right about that, and soon an alternative take on Terry’s performance was being presented. The story of a man driven by bitterness and a desire for revenge. The story of a player who had proved difficult to manage from the moment he arrived here in Rustenburg. Always moaning, always angry.
‘He is angry because he is not the captain,’ said one insider.

Terry claimed he had spent a couple of hours on Sunday morning reading newspaper websites, ‘to get a sense of what the fans are feeling back home’.

He clearly sensed that Capello was vulnerable, that there were problems in the camp; problems that he could exploit and then use to his advantage. Payback time, perhaps, for the manager stripping him of the captaincy back in February over his affair with Wayne Bridge’s former girlfriend Vanessa Perroncel and that story, revealed by Sportsmail, about his private box at Wembley.

According to sources here, Terry has been a hugely disruptive influence. One spoke of an incident during training when Terry clashed with the fitness coach, Massimo Neri, over some shuttle runs he was being ordered to do. Terry refused, Capello intervened and told him to keep running and after one more sprint the Chelsea defender claimed his hamstring was sore and walked off the pitch.

'He is angry because he is not the captain,' said one insider Another time Capello reprimanded him for not paying attention, screaming: ‘Focus, focus!’

Terry made a mistake on Sunday. Sensing that Capello needed him more than ever, that he was the only top-class centre half still standing after the loss of Rio Ferdinand and Ledley King to injury, he thought he was untouchable. That he could say what he liked.

He thought he was as powerful with England as he clearly is at Chelsea, where such full and frank exchanges have taken place. After the 2008 Carling Cup final defeat with Avram Grant, and after losing to Inter Milan last season with Carlo Ancelotti.

‘It’s the same at Chelsea,’ he said. ‘I might say something to Carlo in a meeting in front of the players that he doesn’t like, but we walk out the meeting and it’s forgotten. I’m doing the best for Chelsea, and if I say something tonight, and I probably will and a few others will, then I’m doing the best for England. As I said before, I’m doing it for my country.’

Only there is a difference, and not just because it involves a stuttering England team at a World Cup. Terry only spoke of such meetings after they had taken place. Not beforehand and not with a 64-year-old manager who does not take kindly to having his authority challenged.

In the end, Sunday night’s meeting passed as Capello had originally planned it, with a review of the Algeria game.

Chit-chat: Terry let slip about a meeting with senior players after the Algeria match
On Sunday afternoon, Terry was intercepted by senior figures from the coaching and playing staff and told to abort his idea to confront Capello. Realising he did not have support, he responded accordingly.

But this remains symptomatic of this era of modern millionaire footballers. Of bloated egos that are simply out of control. The France squad is disintegrating amid clashes between the management and players and such problems are undermining England’s effort here.

Capello is not blameless. He, too, has made mistakes that have damaged his reputation in the eyes of the players as well as the supporters.

There was the Capello Index; an act of desperation in trying to drag Paul Scholes out of international retirement as well as Jamie Carragher; the handling of his three goalkeepers; the flirtation with Inter Milan before signing a newly drafted contract; an unspecified role for David Beckham, not to mention a selection policy that some players believe leaves them insufficiently prepared.

He does need to make changes to his team, and to the formation that Terry spoke of on Sunday.

Role change: Terry suggested Joe Cole should be given match-time and that Wayne Rooney would be better served as a lone striker

Joe Cole has to play and Rooney needs to be deployed in the lone striker position in which he excelled at Manchester United last season.

Capello also needs to stop blaming everyone and everything else. If it’s not the ball it’s a team he does not recognise, a team that has gone back two years, or a star striker who seems to be wrong in the head.

Rather worryingly on Sunday, there was still talk of him starting with Jermain Defoe on Wednesday.

But Rooney, like Terry, is part of the problem. A player, insiders say, who is strutting around like a pitbull prima donna, is acting like one of the best three players in the tournament but not playing like one. All he has succeeded in doing is putting himself under enormous pressure while leaving many of his international colleagues distinctly unimpressed.

Capello knows he has a problem, with both Terry and Rooney. But he also went into Sunday night’s meeting believing he still had the complete support of 20 of his 23 players.

Terry has emerged as the Anelka of the camp; England’s answer to Roy Keane without the direct confrontation and without the walk-out. Well, not yet anyway. Terry is a winner, and there is no doubt that much of what he said on Sunday was driven by a desire to succeed, driven by a desire to see England have a successful World Cup.

But his view of Capello has been distorted by that meeting at Wembley when the Italian took away something that was precious to him and he is deluded enough to believe he can now push the manager to one side and become England’s saviour.

Problem child: Wayne Rooney, insiders say, is strutting around like a pitbull prima donna
‘I was born to do stuff like this,’ he said. ‘If I feel something needs changing, that’s a discussion I’ll have with the manager tonight in the meeting.

‘If we feel things need to be changed, whether he needs to change personnel or change his ways, we’ll say so. Everyone needs to voice their opinion and we hope he then takes it on board. But it’s the manager who has the final decision.’

Team selection, said Terry, was the manager’s responsibility but that did not stop him giving his opinion.

‘There’s enough time to look at formations, a system, and whether the manager changes it to go with five in midfield, Wayne up front on his own, I don’t know,’ he said.

In a rare display of humility, there was one moment when he recognised what a difficult job Capello has.

‘It certainly wouldn’t be a job I’d take,’ he said. ‘Mind you, I probably wouldn’t be given it.’

But on Sunday he did attempt to take control, and in the end he succeeded only in making himself an isolated figure within the England camp.

At a time when England need to rediscover some form — and fast — when the players need to stop whining about being bored and take some responsibility on the pitch, it is not exactly what Capello would have wanted.

Instead he was left with a squad divided by dissenters and struggling with a crisis of confidence. What a mess.

whoever matt lawton is, he is a prizewinning c***

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Fab doesnt seem to happy does he....

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Has John Terry stepped out of line?

Watching ITV's interview with Capello...doesn't look tremendously impressed with Terry's comments yesterday. Particularly where Terry claimed to be speaking for half the other players, which they are now distancing themselves from very noticeably.

Does Terry think he holds the same power in the England squad as he does at Chelsea? Maybe he's still bitter at being dropped as captain.

Think I'm siding with Capello on this one. Wonder if Terry's place might be in jeopardy?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

https://nortr3nixy.nimpr.uk/showthread.php?t=177783

 

[sir albion]

Cappello is their scape goat
Fact is they gave 1% out of 100% in the last game

 

[Marc]

Y A W N

 

[beorhthelm]

no. and i dont think Capello gives a crap either, when has ever seemed impressed by anything? only the Terry haters are playing this up as some issue.

 

[pork pie]

no. and i dont think Capello gives a crap either, when has ever seemed impressed by anything? only the Terry haters are playing this up as some issue.

Terry should still be Captain. What do we get instead? A guy who has a drugs related record of miss-conduct for missing a test, or a scally scouser who beats people up in clubs.

 

[ROSM]

Well there is some total fabrication in that.

This quote for example:

Terry became ever more indiscreet. "You don't see the side of him [Capello] storming around the dressing room kicking and throwing things," Terry said. "He shows that real passion." Was that a compliment or a criticism?

What a disgrace. What Terry actually said in full, was this:

"He shows that real passion. That is what he demands from us. He knows we've got the ability, which is probably why he gets so frustrated. I firmly believe he's the right man to take us forward. I have 100% confidence in the manager."

The English Media = Scum of The Earth.

From where are you basing the full quote on? Because 3 print journos all have the same quote as the independent when will people get their head round that what was seen on tv was half me what was said?

 

[Twinkle Toes]

no. and i dont think Capello gives a crap either, when has ever seemed impressed by anything? only the Terry haters are playing this up as some issue.

Well I can't stand the odious tosser, but I don't know what he said yesterday that was so 'out of order' tbh.

ps And he'll be partnering Upson tomorrow, so I guess the manager doesn't think he's been particularly nawty either.

 

[jonny.rainbow]

Terry should still be Captain. What do we get instead? A guy who has a drugs related record of miss-conduct for missing a test, or a scally scouser who beats people up in clubs.

1. 9/11
John Terry was fined two weeks wages by Chelsea after a drinking session with team mates Jody Morris, Frank Lampard and Eidur Gudjohnsen at a Heathrow hotel which culminated in the harassment of American tourists at a Heathrow hotel in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks on New York. The players embarked on their binge after their game against Levski Sofia had been called off out of respect to the victims of the terrorist attack.

2. Assault and Affray
In January 2002 Terry was arrested for affray while out celebrating the birth of team mate Jody Morris' first child. The pair were held overnight at Belgravia police station and questioned over an alleged attack on a male receptionist, before eventually being cleared of all charges - and all this just thirty-six hours before an away game at Norwich City!

3. Gambling
The Chelsea captain was one of several high profile players exposed by numerous tabloid newspapers as being heavily involved in horse racing. Tabloids speculated that Terry, amongst others, was spending tens of thousands of pounds at a time on the horses at a bookmakers near the Chelsea training ground in Cobham. Although soon after the story broke, John Terry signed a new contract worth £130,000 per week with the West London club, somewhat dwarfing the severity of money laid down at the bookies!

4. Respect
Despite being a key figure in publicising the Premier League's new 'Respect' campaign aimed towards increasing the respect shown to referees by footballers on the field, John Terry has emerged as one of the key violators of it. Chelsea have been fined for failing to control their players a number of times in the past few seasons, and Chelsea's display of dissent against the famously incompetant referee Tom Henning Ovrebo after their Champions League exit to Barcelona did little to improve their public image.

5. Infidelity
The Chelsea ace has apparently been caught stepping out on his wife Toni Poole by the tabloid press a number of times despite being quoted saying "I've never cheated on Toni and I never would." John Terry was later quoted saying "I really regret what I’ve done to Toni. I’ve misbehaved and slept with girls behind her back and that’s not right. She knows about it all now and we’re moving on. I’m not going to cheat on her ever again."

6. Paparazzi Attacks
No good celebrity should go without a good paparazzi attack, and the same is allegedly true of John Terry and some Chelsea teammates who clashed with a photographer outside a restaurant on Fulham Road in October 2007. The photographer called the police claiming the Chelsea players had prevented him from taking photographs and damaged his scooter before disappearing before the police arrived.

7. Spitting?
An uncertain entry in to the John Terry hall of shame. Did he? Didn't he? No one really knows but we're not going to get 10 without scraping the barrel! After Didier Drogba's moronic red card for a slap on Nemanja Vidic in the Champions League Final in 2008, John Terry was seen delivering angry words and possibly more towards Carlos Tevez as the Argentinian was being booked.

8. Fraud
Well, not really, but according to the Sun the England defender was questioned over an expensive wedding gift given by a convicted fraudster who made hundreds of thousands of pounds by forging famous sports stars signatures and selling them on to unsuspecting supporters.

9. Speeding Fine
The England captain was caught by police speed cameras taking his Bentley for a spin at a despicable 63mph in a 50mph zone. The £130,000 per week defender was given three points on his license and had to pay a costly £300 in costs and fines.

10. Parking in a Disabled Bay
In 2008 John Terry, while taking his family out for dinner at a Pizza Express restaurant at Esher in Surrey, parked his Bentley in a disabled bay and was promptly fined £60.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Terry should still be Captain. What do we get instead? A guy who has a drugs related record of miss-conduct for missing a test, or a scally scouser who beats people up in clubs.

Terry has single handly tried to undermine the manager, the fact that his team mates didn't back him up speaks volumes. His job is to play, not manage or in this case being a ****, something to which he excells at.
This is purely down to spite, nothing more and nothing less and as such he is taking the piss out of you who support him.

 

[pork pie]

1. 9/11
John Terry was fined two weeks wages by Chelsea after a drinking session with team mates Jody Morris, Frank Lampard and Eidur Gudjohnsen at a Heathrow hotel which culminated in the harassment of American tourists at a Heathrow hotel in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks on New York. The players embarked on their binge after their game against Levski Sofia had been called off out of respect to the victims of the terrorist attack.

2. Assault and Affray
In January 2002 Terry was arrested for affray while out celebrating the birth of team mate Jody Morris' first child. The pair were held overnight at Belgravia police station and questioned over an alleged attack on a male receptionist, before eventually being cleared of all charges - and all this just thirty-six hours before an away game at Norwich City!

3. Gambling
The Chelsea captain was one of several high profile players exposed by numerous tabloid newspapers as being heavily involved in horse racing. Tabloids speculated that Terry, amongst others, was spending tens of thousands of pounds at a time on the horses at a bookmakers near the Chelsea training ground in Cobham. Although soon after the story broke, John Terry signed a new contract worth £130,000 per week with the West London club, somewhat dwarfing the severity of money laid down at the bookies!

4. Respect
Despite being a key figure in publicising the Premier League's new 'Respect' campaign aimed towards increasing the respect shown to referees by footballers on the field, John Terry has emerged as one of the key violators of it. Chelsea have been fined for failing to control their players a number of times in the past few seasons, and Chelsea's display of dissent against the famously incompetant referee Tom Henning Ovrebo after their Champions League exit to Barcelona did little to improve their public image.

5. Infidelity
The Chelsea ace has apparently been caught stepping out on his wife Toni Poole by the tabloid press a number of times despite being quoted saying "I've never cheated on Toni and I never would." John Terry was later quoted saying "I really regret what I’ve done to Toni. I’ve misbehaved and slept with girls behind her back and that’s not right. She knows about it all now and we’re moving on. I’m not going to cheat on her ever again."

6. Paparazzi Attacks
No good celebrity should go without a good paparazzi attack, and the same is allegedly true of John Terry and some Chelsea teammates who clashed with a photographer outside a restaurant on Fulham Road in October 2007. The photographer called the police claiming the Chelsea players had prevented him from taking photographs and damaged his scooter before disappearing before the police arrived.

7. Spitting?
An uncertain entry in to the John Terry hall of shame. Did he? Didn't he? No one really knows but we're not going to get 10 without scraping the barrel! After Didier Drogba's moronic red card for a slap on Nemanja Vidic in the Champions League Final in 2008, John Terry was seen delivering angry words and possibly more towards Carlos Tevez as the Argentinian was being booked.

8. Fraud
Well, not really, but according to the Sun the England defender was questioned over an expensive wedding gift given by a convicted fraudster who made hundreds of thousands of pounds by forging famous sports stars signatures and selling them on to unsuspecting supporters.

9. Speeding Fine
The England captain was caught by police speed cameras taking his Bentley for a spin at a despicable 63mph in a 50mph zone. The £130,000 per week defender was given three points on his license and had to pay a costly £300 in costs and fines.

10. Parking in a Disabled Bay
In 2008 John Terry, while taking his family out for dinner at a Pizza Express restaurant at Esher in Surrey, parked his Bentley in a disabled bay and was promptly fined £60.

And your point is? That little list looks like some arsehole with a problem trying to find anything to suggest he should not be England Captain. How about something similar for the other two candidates? Or even 90% of all Premiership players no doubt?

Parking in a f***ing disabled bay at Pissa Express? - What a load of old bollox!

 

[pork pie]

Terry has single handly tried to undermine the manager, the fact that his team mates didn't back him up speaks volumes. His job is to play, not manage or in this case being a ****, something to which he excells at.
This is purely down to spite, nothing more and nothing less and as such he is taking the piss out of you who support him.

It would be a little too strong to say I support him, although I certainly do above the other two candidates. When do you ever hear Gerrards whiney little voice barking out orders or encouragement? And Rio? He is well past his sell-by date and should f*** off to there!

 

[Acker79]

The general picture from the press, whether from the TV/Radio press conference or the print press conference seems to me to be more about Terry claiming to speak for the entire squad, and giving answers that at best, leave you wondering whether he is complimenting Capello or not, at worst is a calculated attempt to undermine the manager, preparing the excuses ready to blame him.

Coming out to say unpalatable things to authority on behalf of team mates is a good thing to do, and was treated as such at the time. When it came out that these comments were not being given on behalf of the squad, but were in fact part of some self-serving, underhanded ploy, it becomes something else entirely.

No, it wasn't the "outburst" that some people describe it as. Some fans may see elements of truth in Terry's appraisal of the situation. But it turns out it wasn't his place to say such things, at least, not if he is going to cowardly claim everyone else agrees when they don't, simply for fear of sticking himself out there.

Not only is it disingenuous to attribute the claims to his team mates, it causes resentment, and in an already tense side such actions aren't helpful. (And conversely it would have created some sense of unity among the team if he had been speaking on their behalf, but he wasn't)

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

It would be a little too strong to say I support him, although I certainly do above the other two candidates. When do you ever hear Gerrards whiney little voice barking out orders or encouragement? And Rio? He is well past his sell-by date and should f*** off to there!

You're missing the point, because my issue is that he is trying to f*** up our world cup because he's got a sad on for loosing the captaincy. It shows him to be selfish tosser unfit to lead. I do agree regards gerrard and rio but this still doesn't excuse terry, what the f*** did he think he was doing? The arrogance of the prick is beyond belief

 

[Forster's Armband]

Sorry but I think AS PER f***ing USUAL with the British press the whole thing has been blown out of proportion. I don't think his actions where an attempt at rebellion at all. He is passionate and want's win football matches for England as I am sure the whole squad do. Why would these players bother if they did not want to win, they could go anywhere in the World during a hloiday period. I personally prefer Terry's style of Captaincy ie: Vocal. However Gerrard playing the centre (which I think he will play on Wednesday) leads by example and I think he is the right man, I would have picked him over Rio. I think Terry was responding to question VERY honestly, perhaps not the best. An example of how the wankers of the press in this country twist things - Reported that Terry said about talking to Capello "if he does not like it tough". What he actually said, "if he or anyone does not like it tough". He was saying that they all need to be honest IF there are any problems.