[Politics] Shoreham Pilot - Flying Licence Appeal Rejected 17/10/2024

[Mo Gosfield]

Cognitive impairment?
I take this to mean unable to function properly due to excessive G Forces within the aircraft. I am no expert but assume these were caused by the manner in which he was flying the aircraft. Please tell me that I have missed something here.

 

[John Byrnes Mullet]

So who or what was at error? Very sad news for the families as still does not give them the peace of mind for the reason of the crash.

 

[Beach Hut]

Cognitive impairment?
I take this to mean unable to function properly due to excessive G Forces within the aircraft. I am no expert but assume these were caused by the manner in which he was flying the aircraft. Please tell me that I have missed something here.

How can you try and make any conclusion if you have not heard all the evidence

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

A bit of analysis here...………

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-andrew-hill-cleared-over-deaths-of-11-people

 

[Commander]

When I did jury service, the judge warned us not to listen to friends/relatives offering opinions on the cases we were trying as "as no-one could possibly comment unless they'd sat in court and heard every minute of evidence."

It's really, really good advice

Indeed. Anyone who wasn't in court for the whole time is just speculating.

 

[Worthing exile]

Cognitive impairment?
I take this to mean unable to function properly due to excessive G Forces within the aircraft. I am no expert but assume these were caused by the manner in which he was flying the aircraft. Please tell me that I have missed something here.

Does this mean he shouldn't fly any more? Will be interesting if he still does display work.

 

[Weststander]

Inevitable, although painful for so many.

Impossible to achieve beyond reasonable doubt, once he spoke of blacking out, plus his chums piled in with good character and flying references. Who’s to know if he was lying?

The only good from this - no one will be allowed to pull those stunts, over the public, ever again in this country.

 

[mikeyjh]

I don't think there's too much denial over the pilot's errors. More that whatever he did, had been found not to cross a legal threshold. People make mistakes....

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[seagullwedgee]

Looking at some facts reported, he topped the loop at 2700 feet, when he knew the manoeuvre required 4000 feet minimum. And his airspeed was also about 50 knots short of what was required to complete the manoeuvre BEFORE entering the loop (ie before negative G or hypoxia could have taken hold and affected his cognitive function). Apparently the jury watched side by side comparative cockpit footage of a good bent loop manoeuvre and the failed one at Shoreham, and must have concluded that in the failed manoeuvre his judgement was clearly impaired evidenced by things he did or did not do at that point in the cockpit, that he should have done. Strangely he managed to have enough cognitive function to eject and save himself.

 

[AmexRuislip]

Cognitive impairment?
I take this to mean unable to function properly due to excessive G Forces within the aircraft. I am no expert but assume these were caused by the manner in which he was flying the aircraft. Please tell me that I have missed something here.

Probably not, but he may have allegedly done!!

 

[seagullwedgee]

Hill has just made a very unemotional and bland apology. First time.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Very disappointing.

But he does have a life sentence of guilt.

 

[Worthing exile]

Very disappointing.

But he does have a life sentence of guilt.

Guilt? he can't remember anything. remember?

 

[Falmerfourtickets]

Looking at some facts reported, he topped the loop at 2700 feet, when he knew the manoeuvre required 4000 feet minimum. And his airspeed was also about 50 knots short of what was required to complete the manoeuvre BEFORE entering the loop (ie before negative G or hypoxia could have taken hold and affected his cognitive function). Apparently the jury watched side by side comparative cockpit footage of a good bent loop manoeuvre and the failed one at Shoreham, and must have concluded that in the failed manoeuvre his judgement was clearly impaired evidenced by things he did or did not do at that point in the cockpit, that he should have done. Strangely he managed to have enough cognitive function to eject and save himself.

He didn’t eject. Footage showed that.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

Looking at some facts reported, he topped the loop at 2700 feet, when he knew the manoeuvre required 4000 feet minimum. And his airspeed was also about 50 knots short of what was required to complete the manoeuvre BEFORE entering the loop (ie before negative G or hypoxia could have taken hold and affected his cognitive function). Apparently the jury watched side by side comparative cockpit footage of a good bent loop manoeuvre and the failed one at Shoreham, and must have concluded that in the failed manoeuvre his judgement was clearly impaired evidenced by things he did or did not do at that point in the cockpit, that he should have done. Strangely he managed to have enough cognitive function to eject and save himself.

He didn't eject. He was still in the cockpit when the plane crashed and was then thrown clear of the wreckage.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-47173599

 

[Beach Hut]

He didn't eject. He was still in the cockpit when the plane crashed and was then thrown clear of the wreckage.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-47173599

Concludes very clearly why speculation ignoring fact is extremely dangerous

 

[Barham's tash]

When I did jury service, the judge warned us not to listen to friends/relatives offering opinions on the cases we were trying as "as no-one could possibly comment unless they'd sat in court and heard every minute of evidence."

It's really, really good advice

Presumably when you do jury service you shouldn’t disclose the nature of the case you’re sitting on so any opinions are nothing other than conjecture?

As for this case justice has run its process and this is the outcome. Facts are facts right?

People may not like the decision but trial by jury is what it is. Judged by your peers.


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[Bold Seagull]

Guilt? he can't remember anything. remember?

He may not remember, but he knows what the aircraft he was in charge of did.

Unless any of us were in the trial throughout, heard every bit of expert evidence and testimony, then we're only speculating on justice being served or not.

 

[Worthing exile]

He may not remember, but he knows what the aircraft he was in charge of did.

Unless any of us were in the trial throughout, heard every bit of expert evidence and testimony, then we're only speculating on justice being served or not.

I thought it was reported he couldn't even watch the video footage.

 

[dazzer6666]

Having heard all the evidence from aviation experts, I have to say that that is a surprising decision. I would imagine that the many bereaved
will be more than disappointed.

All of it ? Only way you'd have that is if you were on the jury - in which case I doubt you'd be posting.