Shootings at Pulse nightclub in Orlando

[Chief Wiggum]

Owen Jones got a bit upset discussing this topic on Sky. So much so that he walks out. One of the best flounces I've seen in ages.

 

[El Presidente]

My goodness you're on form today. So much moral relativism. I reckon you just need to mention the Crusades and that's you done.

It's Monday, the train is LATE, the seats are FULL of twats who think their briefcases are entitled to a seat and it's raining.

I may be about to go postal.

Unfortunately I don't have a gun, only a rolled up copy of Private Eye


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[Tyrone Biggums]

This was after the genocide of many Indian tribes. I saw this site a couple of years back. The Mormons killed 120 white travellers heading towards California from Arkansas.
http://mountainmeadowsmassacre.com

Interesting story. Territories at that time were often ruled by frontier justice. Eye for an eye type of thing. Utah wasn't part of the Union for another 50 years after that incident.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

And why is that?

Because it doesn't suit your views? It's a factual statistic. But go on, dispute it.

Using that statistic to prove your point is like saying that watching Jeremy Kyle causes low income. Correlation doesn't equal causation.

The fact that those 3 states have high gun ownership and low mass shootings pays absolutely NO consideration to any other factors involved. You're the one spouting random stats to support your views not me. The argument should be about which of the factors contributes the most to the deaths/injuring of all of these innocent people. I would suggest that moving the entire population to Alaska where it's safe is not what people should do despite your statistic.

I'm absolutely no specialist in this area. And there isn't a simple answer. It's about building hypotheses and proving/disproving them. Here's my totally uninformed, opinion based on what I like to think is common sense.

- Automatic weapons enable these killers to do a huge amount of damage in a very short amount of time
- It would be fair to say that automatic gun availability would be a significantly influential factor in these shootings.
- Generally speaking from what I've seen, the perpetrators of these mass shootings are not in criminal circles.
- If automatic guns were illegal, it would be harder and more expensive for a regular 20 something to obtain one.
- Mass shooting frequency and severity would decrease as a result of this.

That's my guess. What do you think?

 

[Albumen]

Owen Jones got a bit upset discussing this topic on Sky. So much so that he walks out. One of the best flounces I've seen in ages.

Well Sky were trying to hide the fact it was a homophobic massacre.

 

[Questions]

They don't have them. Everyone is born straight, then one day a man wakes up, feels a bit bored, and decides to go for a bit of GAY.

It was the David Beckham Brylcreme advert that turned me into a big old bender. I haven't been able to get enough bum since.

 

[El Presidente]

It was the David Beckham Brylcreme advert that turned me into a big old bender. I haven't been able to get enough bum since.

For me it was seeing Morecambe and Wise in bed together in all those sketches in the 70's.


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[Tyrone Biggums]

Certainly he is responsible for his actions but I think it is fair to say that easy access to high-powered weapons made the result of his actions considerably more devastating than they might have been.

If he's asscoaited with groups such as ISIS even with strict gun laws he'd still have been able to be supplied with the weapons he needed.

 

[pb21]

Using that statistic to prove your point is like saying that watching Jeremy Kyle causes low income. Correlation doesn't equal causation.

The fact that those 3 states have high gun ownership and low mass shootings pays absolutely NO consideration to any other factors involved. You're the one spouting random stats to support your views not me. The argument should be about which of the factors contributes the most to the deaths/injuring of all of these innocent people. I would suggest that moving the entire population to Alaska where it's safe is not what people should do despite your statistic.

I'm absolutely no specialist in this area. And there isn't a simple answer. It's about building hypotheses and proving/disproving them. Here's my totally uninformed, opinion based on what I like to think is common sense.

- Automatic weapons enable these killers to do a huge amount of damage in a very short amount of time
- It would be fair to say that automatic gun availability would be a significantly influential factor in these shootings.
- Generally speaking from what I've seen, the perpetrators of these mass shootings are not in criminal circles.
- If automatic guns were illegal, it would be harder and more expensive for a regular 20 something to obtain one.
- Mass shooting frequency and severity would decrease as a result of this.

That's my guess. What do you think?

As you say you are no specialist in this area and it shows. I've fixed your totally uninformed, opinion based on what you naively like to think is common sense, you clearly don't know anything about guns.

- The fact everyone doesn’t carry an automatic weapon enables these killers to do a huge amount of damage in a very short amount of time as there is no one to defend themselves and shoot back.
- It would be fair to say that the lack of automatic gun availability would be a significantly influential factor in these shootings.
- Generally speaking from what I've seen, the perpetrators of these mass shootings are not in criminal circles.
- If automatic guns were a legal requirement, it would necessarily mean a regular 5 year old would have to carry one.
- Mass shooting frequency and severity would decrease as a result of this.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Using that statistic to prove your point is like saying that watching Jeremy Kyle causes low income. Correlation doesn't equal causation.

The fact that those 3 states have high gun ownership and low mass shootings pays absolutely NO consideration to any other factors involved. You're the one spouting random stats to support your views not me. The argument should be about which of the factors contributes the most to the deaths/injuring of all of these innocent people. I would suggest that moving the entire population to Alaska where it's safe is not what people should do despite your statistic.

I'm absolutely no specialist in this area. And there isn't a simple answer. It's about building hypotheses and proving/disproving them. Here's my totally uninformed, opinion based on what I like to think is common sense.

- Automatic weapons enable these killers to do a huge amount of damage in a very short amount of time
- It would be fair to say that automatic gun availability would be a significantly influential factor in these shootings.
- Generally speaking from what I've seen, the perpetrators of these mass shootings are not in criminal circles.
- If automatic guns were illegal, it would be harder and more expensive for a regular 20 something to obtain one.
- Mass shooting frequency and severity would decrease as a result of this.

That's my guess. What do you think?

I think it's down to mental illness. Not the guns.

Do you think British society would benefit from a toal ban on alcohol sales? Like all the violence socially and domestically and the billions of dollars that it causes in death and injuries etc

If you're concerned about eliminating things in socieities which cause people damage surely this should be highest on your internal agenda rather than US gun laws?

I mean if you're a gun owner who doesn't drink don't you then have the right to call out the hypocrisy of people calling for gun bans etc?

 

[Stat Brother]

I think it's down to mental illness. Not the guns.

The question then has to be asked:-

Would you allow someone who's mentally ill access to a gun?

 

[El Presidente]

The question then has to be asked:-

Would you allow someone who's mentally ill access to a gun?

To be fair a lot of states in the US do have checks to prevent this.

You fill in a form which asks

"Are you a psychopathic nut job". If you tick the yes box they don't sell you a gun.


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[Mackenzie]

I think it's down to mental illness. Not the guns.

It's down to both. We have mental illness in this country but not a ready supply of automatic weapons, the result is a rare incidence of mass killings by gunfire. In the USA they have guns and mentally ill people and mass killings practically every week.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

As you say you are no specialist in this area and it shows. I've fixed your totally uninformed, opinion based on what you naively like to think is common sense, you clearly don't know anything about guns.

- The fact everyone doesn’t carry an automatic weapon enables these killers to do a huge amount of damage in a very short amount of time as there is no one to defend themselves and shoot back.
- It would be fair to say that the lack of automatic gun availability would be a significantly influential factor in these shootings.
- Generally speaking from what I've seen, the perpetrators of these mass shootings are not in criminal circles.
- If automatic guns were a legal requirement, it would necessarily mean a regular 5 year old would have to carry one.
- Mass shooting frequency and severity would decrease as a result of this.

Is that a specialists view then? I don't really understand what it is you're getting at?

 

[LamieRobertson]

For me it was seeing Morecambe and Wise in bed together in all those sketches in the 70's.


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Was it little Ern that influenced you most or one of Eric's sayings (north London club reference}

 

[Stat Brother]

To be fair a lot of states in the US do have checks to prevent this.

You fill in a form which asks

"Are you a psychopathic nut job". If you tick the yes box they don't sell you a gun.


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But that then impacts on their Bill of Rights, so they get sold one anyway.
Alternatively go to a 'gun show', think jumble sale for AK47's, and buy one either over or under the trestle table.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

The question then has to be asked:-

Would you allow someone who's mentally ill access to a gun?

If he didn't have a gun he'd probably have just made a bomb. That's what they do.

El Presidente was happy to show stats of a UK who doesn't have guns vs a US that does.

Yet in 2005 on July 7 56 people died because people without guns still managed to kill a shit oad of people because of their ****ed up ideologies.

That's 6 more people dead even without guns doing it.

 

[JCL666]

Owen Jones got a bit upset discussing this topic on Sky. So much so that he walks out. One of the best flounces I've seen in ages.

Probably because they were acting like complete dicks.

 

[LamieRobertson]

If he didn't have a gun he'd probably have just made a bomb. That's what they do.

El Presidente was happy to show stats of a UK who doesn't have guns vs a US that does.

Yet in 2005 on July 7 56 people died because people without guns still managed to kill a shit oad of people because of their ****ed up ideologies.

That's 6 more people dead even without guns doing it.

Where there's a will there's a way ..so they say

 

[Maldini]

Owen Jones got a bit upset discussing this topic on Sky. So much so that he walks out. One of the best flounces I've seen in ages.

I saw this live.Classic.