Shootings and explosion in Paris!

[Soulman]

You need to be an uber lefty Socialist or a frothing fascist to get by in the current affairs threads on here.

Having a slightly left/right opinion on a range of differing subjects is a no no.

Many on FB including myself have changed their profile picture to the French flag.... I Wonder how many left wing folk have changed the profile pic to have the French flag on it but would call me a racist if my pic was the St George cross?......which actually it was.

 

[Soulman]

Back on topic.Not usually a fan of these gestures but I thought this was a poignant act of solidarity. The Russian plane casualties seem to have been partially forgotten and the attacks in Lebanon barely reported.

French, Lebanese and Russian flags on Great Pyramid

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Nice one.
Sadly I don't remember so much media coverage and sympathy when just 2 weeks ago a Russian plane of 224 innocent holidaymakers was blown out of the sky over Sinai by the same terrorist group.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Nice one.
Sadly I don't remember so much media coverage and sympathy when just 2 weeks ago a Russian plane of 224 innocent holidaymakers was blown out of the sky over Sinai by the same terrorist group.

Yes it is sad how different terrorist outrages attract different types of coverage. I don't think it helped that there was some confusion about what happened to the plane and the Russian government seemed determined to discount a terrorist cause.

 

[Soulman]

Yes it is sad how different terrorist outrages attract different types of coverage. I don't think it helped that there was some confusion about what happened to the plane and the Russian government seemed determined to discount a terrorist cause.

There is that i suppose, or is it that the Russians are not very popular.

 

[Acker79]

If you want to call out the fact that the number of extremists is so small at 0.001% then why not extend the point that an even smaller number of people relative to say the population of Paris have been killed?

Because it's pointless. Yes, the victims of the attack are a small proportion of the population of Paris. Congratulations, you know how numbers work.

When people point to the proportion of Muslims that are extremists, it's not about counting how many extremists there are and comparing it to how many Muslims there are. It's about representation, it's about how that small selection of extremists are not to be seen as representative of all Muslims.

The same point can be made about the victims of this attack. People shouldn't judge all Parisians by the victims of this attack, their beliefs, whatever actions they carried out in life, etc. But that's a redundant point to make. No one does that in the aftermath of these types of attacks.

 

[Gilliver's Travels]

What is far more alarming is surveys repeatedly revealing the proportion of Muslims expressing support for Sharia 'laws', separate Islamic schools and open hostility towards Western liberal culture. Such people may not be classified as extremists, but their failure to integrate is a failure of our country's supposedly multicultural ambitions.

The long-term remedy for the UK is for the abandonment of 'faith schools' in favour of an educational system that's designed to encourage inquisitive, critical thinking - and learning that's based on logic, and evidence, rather than ancient stories fabricated 1500 years ago by men who believed the world was flat.

 

[BadFish]

You need to be an uber lefty Socialist or a frothing fascist to get by in the current affairs threads on here.

Having a slightly left/right opinion on a range of differing subjects is a no no.

This. There are many posters who try to push people to the extremities of politics. I suspect it is easier for them to extrapolate an argument or provide a weak analogy than it is to discuss the argument actually presented.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

What is far more alarming is surveys repeatedly revealing the proportion of Muslims expressing support for Sharia 'laws', separate Islamic schools and open hostility towards Western liberal culture. Such people may not be classified as extremists, but their failure to integrate is a failure of our country's supposedly multicultural ambitions.

The long-term remedy for the UK is for the abandonment of 'faith schools' in favour of an educational system that's designed to encourage inquisitive, critical thinking - and learning that's based on logic, and evidence, rather than ancient stories fabricated 1500 years ago by men who believed the world was flat.

Your right, nobody focuses on what I consider as hard line Islam in this country and across the EU, because it is at this point where political correctness rules over common sense. The long term plan should be to stop letting so many people in, because the more people you let in the quicker things like Sharia law could eventually be established, which has absolutely no value to any country apart from going against it's values and creating division.

It was evident when I was living in Luton the type of Islam we have in this country in some quarters, seeing women completely covered walking up and down my road was a strange experience, honestly some times I didn't think I was living in the UK anymore.

The religion has many different strands, and it's where our politicians and other people get it so wrong and all I am seeing at the moment is the slow erosion of the EU. Panorama even covered this very subject.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Many on FB including myself have changed their profile picture to the French flag.... I Wonder how many left wing folk have changed the profile pic to have the French flag on it but would call me a racist if my pic was the St George cross?......which actually it was.

I'm not on Facebook so I will be unable to call you a racist when you switch back to the cross.

 

[BadFish]

http://mashable.com/2014/09/22/notinmyname-muslims-anti-isis-social-media-campaign/#qN_fwEw3OiqG

Mulsims are using social meadia to call out the terrorists and make sure people realise that IS don't represent their religion.

Personally I am not sure this needs confirmation but there seems to be a few who need it.

 

[Aveacarlin']

you're not convinced?

with all due respect, why should he have to explain his politics to you?

You dont get it then its your problem.

Absolutely this........minus the 'with all due respect'

 

[Hastings gull]

http://mashable.com/2014/09/22/notinmyname-muslims-anti-isis-social-media-campaign/#qN_fwEw3OiqG

Mulsims are using social meadia to call out the terrorists and make sure people realise that IS don't represent their religion.

Personally I am not sure this needs confirmation but there seems to be a few who need it.

The usual pompous ramblings where your good self is needed to point things out to others, as if what you write would not have been worked out by lesser beings. Then, ironically, claiming that muslims are doing good, you provide a link to some obscure publication with a few quotes.

 

[Guinness Boy]

The usual pompous ramblings where your good self is needed to point things out to others, as if what you write would not have been worked out by lesser beings. Then, ironically, claiming that muslims are doing good, you provide a link to some obscure publication with a few quotes.

There's nothing obscure about Mashable or social media. Most people under 45 will have heard of it or Twitter o/ Facebook and use social media daily. Since it is usually young men who are radicalised, what [MENTION=1313]BadFish[/MENTION] has pointed out is an extremely positive and welcome step from the Islamic community

 

[BadFish]

The usual pompous ramblings where your good self is needed to point things out to others, as if what you write would not have been worked out by lesser beings. Then, ironically, claiming that muslims are doing good, you provide a link to some obscure publication with a few quotes.

The usual personal attack (your obsession is getting a little creepy now. if you don't like me or my posts, how about be a grown up and just ignore them). would you mind staying on topic so the mods don't have to move this thread of the main site. Some of us would like to continue to discuss the issues.

Mashable isn't that obscure and the article was demonstrating something that many people on these threads have been calling out for. You are letting your obsession cloud your judgement i think.

 

[Tarpon]

Yes it is sad how different terrorist outrages attract different types of coverage. I don't think it helped that there was some confusion about what happened to the plane and the Russian government seemed determined to discount a terrorist cause.

I'd say coverage is determined by the message that news outlet has decided to communicate informed by the anticipated reaction / position of its target audience.

The latter, rather predictably, depends on the proximity of the event (actual / implied threat to ourselves), the extent that we culturally identify with the country / victims affected & the degree to which any of our citizens are directly affected/involved etc. Nearest example comparison ref for me is the events in Kenya earlier this year.

In summary: most people don't give a shite until it is on their doorstep.

 

[Tarpon]

I'd say coverage is determined by the message that news outlet has decided to communicate informed by the anticipated reaction / position of its target audience.

The latter, rather predictably, depends on the proximity of the event (actual / implied threat to ourselves), the extent that we culturally identify with the country / victims affected & the degree to which any of our citizens are directly affected/involved etc.
Nearest example comparison ref for me is the events in Kenya earlier this year.

Oh just found this, have not had time to read properly before work yet but appears to be about the diff coverage Kenya/Paris

http://www.inquisitr.com/2565791/ke...-dead-compared-to-paris-attack-news-coverage/

 

[cunning fergus]

Because it's pointless. Yes, the victims of the attack are a small proportion of the population of Paris. Congratulations, you know how numbers work.

When people point to the proportion of Muslims that are extremists, it's not about counting how many extremists there are and comparing it to how many Muslims there are. It's about representation, it's about how that small selection of extremists are not to be seen as representative of all Muslims.

The same point can be made about the victims of this attack. People shouldn't judge all Parisians by the victims of this attack, their beliefs, whatever actions they carried out in life, etc. But that's a redundant point to make. No one does that in the aftermath of these types of attacks.

No, both points are redundant, if people want to highlight the relatively small number of Muslim extremists they should equally make the other point that (relatively) there is an even smaller number of victims. People don't do this of course because the second point undermines their first.

Statistics and risk algorithms aside, this pointless platitude about the tiny number of extremists is rolled out time after time in the aftermath of every atrocity committed by Islamic extremists........and no doubt it will be rolled out again after the next one, and the next one. It means absolutely nothing because innocent people in Europe have already died at the hands of this tiny minority and they will continue to die. The risk is real.

Desperate times need desperate measures, if these extremists are so small in number and Governments have lists of those who represent a risk then maybe they should be interned Guantanamo style. Those leaving or returning from Syria likewise.

No doubt some Muslims caught up in this will not be a threat but maybe that is the price we need to pay to maintain our way of life.

 

[Guinness Boy]

No, both points are redundant, if people want to highlight the relatively small number of Muslim extremists they should equally make the other point that (relatively) there is an even smaller number of victims. People don't do this of course because the second point undermines their first.

Statistics and risk algorithms aside, this pointless platitude about the tiny number of extremists is rolled out time after time in the aftermath of every atrocity committed by Islamic extremists........and no doubt it will be rolled out again after the next one, and the next one. It means absolutely nothing because innocent people in Europe have already died at the hands of this tiny minority and they will continue to die. The risk is real.

Desperate times need desperate measures, if these extremists are so small in number and Governments have lists of those who represent a risk then maybe they should be interned Guantanamo style. Those leaving or returning from Syria likewise.

No doubt some Muslims caught up in this will not be a threat but maybe that is the price we need to pay to maintain our way of life.

If we bring in internment we will not be maintaining our way of life. It didn't work in Northern Ireland, nor has Guantanamo stopped attacks or even been kept on as a viable option by the States.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

No, both points are redundant, if people want to highlight the relatively small number of Muslim extremists they should equally make the other point that (relatively) there is an even smaller number of victims. People don't do this of course because the second point undermines their first.

Statistics and risk algorithms aside, this pointless platitude about the tiny number of extremists is rolled out time after time in the aftermath of every atrocity committed by Islamic extremists........and no doubt it will be rolled out again after the next one, and the next one. It means absolutely nothing because innocent people in Europe have already died at the hands of this tiny minority and they will continue to die. The risk is real.

Desperate times need desperate measures, if these extremists are so small in number and Governments have lists of those who represent a risk then maybe they should be interned Guantanamo style. Those leaving or returning from Syria likewise.

No doubt some Muslims caught up in this will not be a threat but maybe that is the price we need to pay to maintain our way of life.

You've really excelled yourself with this bizarre argument. Excellent work.

 

[Mutts Nuts]

You've really excelled yourself with this bizarre argument. Excellent work.

Desperate times require desperate measures , what would your solution be.