Shootings and explosion in Paris!

[Herr Tubthumper]

Can't imagine!

You're being a bit weird.

 

[Tarpon]

 

[Buzzer]

There are some senior figures on the British Left whose self-loathing still seeks to find moral equivalence of the actions of the West with ISIS.

Tariq Ali on Paris: "The West is NOT morally superior to the jihadis."

http://www.versobooks.com/blogs/2336-isis-in-paris-by-tariq-ali

 

[Soulman]

[MENTION=26105]Soulman[/MENTION] and others should read this. It's not in the Guardian. It's not on the BBC site. It's in the Sunday Mail by one of the most right wing writers extant. I agree with every word. Don't argue with me, argue with this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...CHENS-Really-want-beat-terror-calm-THINK.html

Why would i argue with this?, why is it right wing, why do you perceive that because i like was stated on the BBC news tonight that the French are very proud and patriotic people, that i am right wing because i feel the same about the country that i was born and live in. Why would you think i am right wing because i like the culture and traditions that i was brought up with, can accept others in this country as long as they adhere to the laws and integrate into this country that they chose to live in. Why would you think i am right wing when i have stated many times that the Sikhs (which i have as friends and in contact with) Buddhists, Hindus, Jews etc i have no problem with. I work and get on with many Eastern Europeans, am i right wing because i feel that 300,000 and mass immigration is not good for this country, i have discussed this with them actually and they are worried about the amount and type of immigration that are entering their own countries.
I really do not think you know what proper right wing is, just a term you and others use against people that do not have your Utopian views.
I have stated many times that Blair taking us to war has caused many problems, yet still even though the Muslims have been murdering each other in the Middle East for centuries, it is ALL the Wests fault in your eyes, and don't you like using that get out card to excuse what is going on now and a stick to beat anyone that has a different opinion to you.
As iv'e stated many times, the murdering in Yemen, Nigeria, Chad, Somalia etc is not to do with the West, when these radicals and i no longer think it is a minority, can live peacefully among themselves in their own countries, and integrate like the other aforementioned races and religions here do.....then i will no longer worry for my country and my children's future.
A good article, thanks for putting it up even though it was from the dreaded Mail, you really should read more of Hitchens articles seeing as you were quite taken with this one.

 

[GT49er]

You're being a bit weird.

Sorry, I just imagined ISIS would be a bit narked with anyone who appeared to be supportive of Israel. Silly me!

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Why would i argue with this?, why is it right wing, why do you perceive that because i like was stated on the BBC news tonight that the French are very proud and patriotic people, that i am right wing because i feel the same about the country that i was born and live in. Why would you think i am right wing because i like the culture and traditions that i was brought up with, can accept others in this country as long as they adhere to the laws and integrate into this country that they chose to live in. Why would you think i am right wing when i have stated many times that the Sikhs (which i have as friends and in contact with) Buddhists, Hindus, Jews etc i have no problem with. I work and get on with many Eastern Europeans, am i right wing because i feel that 300,000 and mass immigration is not good for this country, i have discussed this with them actually and they are worried about the amount and type of immigration that are entering their own countries.
I really do not think you know what proper right wing is, just a term you and others use against people that do not have your Utopian views.
I have stated many times that Blair taking us to war has caused many problems, yet still even though the Muslims have been murdering each other in the Middle East for centuries, it is ALL the Wests fault in your eyes, and don't you like using that get out card to excuse what is going on now and a stick to beat anyone that has a different opinion to you.
As iv'e stated many times, the murdering in Yemen, Nigeria, Chad, Somalia etc is not to do with the West, when these radicals and i no longer think it is a minority, can live peacefully among themselves in their own countries, and integrate like the other aforementioned races and religions here do.....then i will no longer worry for my country and my children's future.
A good article, thanks for putting it up even though it was from the dreaded Mail, you really should read more of Hitchens articles seeing as you were quite taken with this one.

Given what you have posted on various topics over the weeks, months, years I'm prepared to wager you're what many would consider right wing. If I'm wrong can you explain where your politics lie.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Sorry, I just imagined ISIS would be a bit narked with anyone who appeared to be supportive of Israel. Silly me!

He hasn't said anything directly in support of Israel government from what I can tell. This is why I was confused by your post.

 

[LamieRobertson]

There's a lot of angst on this thread ...a period of reflection on the pain and suffering being felt by the people actually involved wouldn't go amiss.

 

[Soulman]

Given what you have posted on various topics over the weeks, months, years I'm prepared to wager you're what many would consider right wing. If I'm wrong can you explain where your politics lie.

Why do they have to lie anywhere, unlike a lot of sheeple i just post my opinion, what i think, in some instances they are slightly left of centre, on others slightly right.
as i have stated before i have never voted Tory, will not vote Labour after i voted for the clowns in 1997 and had to watch Blair and McBroon at the helm. I voted for the party that i felt had the interests of England at heart. You and others will put me in the box that suits your choice.....your choice i suppose.
Meanwhile there are posters that want to see Blair and those that are still in the cabinet brought to justice for war crimes, yet still champion and vote for that party

 

[symyjym]

He hasn't said anything directly in support of Israel government from what I can tell. This is why I was confused by your post.

I had never heard of Eagles of Death Metal so I checked their wiki page and I saw the content ttiled; Performances in Israel and anti-BDS Statements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagles_of_Death_Metal

Didn't know what BDS was but I searched and found this http://www.bdsmovement.net/ Roger Waters is pro BDS.

Then I saw a story titled Bataclan theater long a target of anti-Zionist groups

Not sure what the problem is and GT49er hasn't really said anything sensitive. If anything its my fault for posting this info.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Why do they have to lie anywhere, unlike a lot of sheeple i just post my opinion, what i think, in some instances they are slightly left of centre, on others slightly right.
as i have stated before i have never voted Tory, will not vote Labour after i voted for the clowns in 1997 and had to watch Blair and McBroon at the helm. I voted for the party that i felt had the interests of England at heart. You and others will put me in the box that suits your choice.....your choice i suppose.
Meanwhile there are posters that want to see Blair and those that are still in the cabinet brought to justice for war crimes, yet still champion and vote for that party

I put you in a box because your posts are largely right wing. You may well have a few left-of-centre beliefs but one swallow doesn't make a summer. In fact it would be strange if anyone supported absolutely every single policy a party had. I'm not convinced, but I'm happy for you to explain a bit more why you don't consider yourself (mainly) right.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

There are some senior figures on the British Left whose self-loathing still seeks to find moral equivalence of the actions of the West with ISIS.

Tariq Ali on Paris: "The West is NOT morally superior to the jihadis."

http://www.versobooks.com/blogs/2336-isis-in-paris-by-tariq-ali

It must give great solace to the numerous terrorist groups that so many high profile figures on the left spend so much time trying to reach out and understand their many 'legitimate' grievances. If only we all came round to their way of thinking the murderous psychopaths would lay down their arms and leave us alone.

 

[Soulman]

I put you in a box because your posts are largely right wing. You may well have a few left-of-centre beliefs but one swallow doesn't make a summer. In fact it would be strange if anyone supported absolutely every single policy a party had. I'm not convinced, but I'm happy for you to explain a bit more why you don't consider yourself (mainly) right.

I just post what i feel, you can think what you like. "I'm happy for you" to make your own assumptions if it makes you feel better, i doubt anything i say will convince you seeing as we do not agree on much. You post what you think, your choice, i post what i think my choice.

 

[Bladders]

I put you in a box because your posts are largely right wing. You may well have a few left-of-centre beliefs but one swallow doesn't make a summer. In fact it would be strange if anyone supported absolutely every single policy a party had. I'm not convinced, but I'm happy for you to explain a bit more why you don't consider yourself (mainly) right.

you're not convinced?

with all due respect, why should he have to explain his politics to you?

You dont get it then its your problem.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

I just post what i feel, you can think what you like. "I'm happy for you" to make your own assumptions if it makes you feel better, i doubt anything i say will convince you seeing as we do not agree on much. You post what you think, your choice, i post what i think my choice.

Don't you find that having a generally right of centre view of the world means you are usually proved (excuse the pun) right about most things ?

 

[Soulman]

Don't you find that having a generally right of centre view of the world means you are usually proved (excuse the pun) right about most things ?

Not sure JC, i have done quite a few online surveys, perhaps the questions are loaded not sure, but i have always come out slightly left of centre, i have answered honestly and must admit felt gutted as i have been "convinced" by others that i am right wing. Perhaps it is all these immigration and extremists threads, perhaps on other matters i am slightly left of centre. I am sure that HT will be able to tell me his diagnosis.

 

[Bladders]

Not sure JC, i have done quite a few online surveys, perhaps the questions are loaded not sure, but i have always come out slightly left of centre, i have answered honestly and must admit felt gutted as i have been "convinced" by others that i am right wing. Perhaps it is all these immigration and extremists threads, perhaps on other matters i am slightly left of centre. I am sure that HT will be able to tell me his diagnosis.

You need to be an uber lefty Socialist or a frothing fascist to get by in the current affairs threads on here.

Having a slightly left/right opinion on a range of differing subjects is a no no.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Not sure JC, i have done quite a few online surveys, perhaps the questions are loaded not sure, but i have always come out slightly left of centre, i have answered honestly and must admit felt gutted as i have been "convinced" by others that i am right wing. Perhaps it is all these immigration and extremists threads, perhaps on other matters i am slightly left of centre. I am sure that HT will be able to tell me his diagnosis.

Slightly left of centre yikes not surprised you were gutted. Very modestly answered if I may say so.

 

[Soulman]

You need to be an uber lefty Socialist or a frothing fascist to get by in the current affairs threads on here.

Having a slightly left/right opinion on a range of differing subjects is a no no.

. Oh but you must be pigeon holed, when the going gets tough just scream right winger, knuckle dragger etc etc....especially when you are on the back foot eh.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Back on topic.Not usually a fan of these gestures but I thought this was a poignant act of solidarity. The Russian plane casualties seem to have been partially forgotten and the attacks in Lebanon barely reported.

French, Lebanese and Russian flags on Great Pyramid