Shootings and explosion in Paris!

[Diego Napier]

The thought of living in a country where protective border controls are next to impossible is fearful at times like these. However, we are just so incredibly lucky we live on an island where it is easier to defend against evils such as Nazis, Rabies and the influx of horrific weapons. We may already have people with intent in this country but they are generally limited to home made bombs (which are bad enough) and knives. But the evil you can commit in just minutes with an automatic weapon is truly awful. I feel relatively safe today but what if those three Brighton lads killed in Syria had, instead or perishing, returned with instructions to massacre in somewhere like Churchill Square or even the Amex? That's what Parisians are coping with today. What a horrific world we live in.

It is easy to feel like that because these horrific events are so close to home however, the chances of someone in the Western world dying prematurely today have shrunk enormously over the years. There have always been horrific ways to die but modern media has brought the events into our living rooms and we naturally feel the immediacy and horror. The reality is that it has always been like this. Smallpox has now been eradicated but an estimated 300 million people died of it in the 20th century alone. 60 million people died in the second world war of whom 40 million were civilians.

Nowadays, over 1 million people (mostly under 5) die of malaria each year, over 750,000 die of hunger, 150,000 approx. die each year of typhoid fever, over 2,600 men women and children are known to have drowned so far this year trying to reach Europe, over 127 people died in the Paris atrocities. Yes, I suppose it is an horrific world.

 

[Berty23]

What is the common denominating link between 9/11, 7/7, the shopping centre in Nigeria, the Tunisian beach attack, the attack in Sydney, and these attacks in Paris? One clue.......they were not all committed by men.

Is it something similar to the common denominating link between Columbine, the death of John Lennon, Sandy Hook, the bombing of a Medicin Sans Frontier hospital in Afghanistan and the Unabomber?

I know this one. They were all completed by morons who think they can justify their actions when actually they are just murder. You can add anders brevick (spelling must be wrong) and his massacre in Norway. Why did that attack not make well quick's list?

 

[wehatepalace]

North terminal at Gatwick now being evacuated due to a man with a grenede in his bag.

 

[wellquickwoody]

I know this one. They were all completed by morons who think they can justify their actions when actually they are just murder. You can add anders brevick (spelling must be wrong) and his massacre in Norway. Why did that attack not make well quick's list?

Another ostrich.

 

[portslade seagull]

All killing is abhorrent its what happens next to avoid the next tragedy. RIP the 128

 

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

North terminal at Gatwick now being evacuated due to a man with a grenede in his bag.

[tweet]665474251101728768[/tweet]

 

[Craven Wine]

A massive and deadly wind up to suck in fools who should know better. My sympathy goes to the utter waste of life and suffering of the victims. Je suis France.

 

[Berty23]

Another ostrich.

So all the mass shootings in America completed by Americans on Americans. What is behind those?

 

[BigGully]

Agreed



Agreed



This I'm not so sure of.

I knew that would be the moot point

Police cordoning off the road outside the Finsbury Mosque in 2003 to allow Hamza and his cohorts to spew hate to 100's of that local Muslim community with impunity, just an indication of the total lack of political will to challenge those within the mosques and local Muslim communities.

It created an environment where extremism went unchallenged and therefore spawned a kind of acceptance by some within those communities, multiculturalism and an avoidance to criticise a aggressive form of religion and we get to where we are today.

 

[Soulman]

Another ostrich.

Another ostrich who will just divert the current problem and bring up another issue from a few years ago. Don't waste your breath, mad Edwards army will be dragged up next.

 

[Wellesley]

Jesus, UKippers are in their element today aren't they, unbelievably ignorant as usual. There are 6 million Muslims in France, these were less than 10 ********s. Maybe you could further your hatred of other beliefs to not just religion. These terrorists were men, would you like blame all men for thinking the same way as them? Maybe all straight people (I'm just guessing they were all straight but hey I might as well join in with the bullshit).

Stupid post. They aren't killing people depending on whether they are male or not, they are killing non-muslims.

 

[Soulman]

I knew that would be the moot point

Police cordoning off the road outside the Finsbury Mosque in 2003 to allow Hamza and his cohortsto spew hate to 100's of that local Muslim community with impunity, just an indication of the total lack of political will to challenge those within the mosques and local Muslim communities.

It created an environment where extremism went unchallenged and therefore spawned a kind of acceptance by some within those communities, multiculturalism and an avoidance to criticise a aggressive form of religion and we get to where we are today.

Sadly that is the size of it.

 

[Steve.S]

Very sad day, while we sit and try and find answers and some on here try and link migrants and open borders to the problem. I would suggest when the time is right we look closer to home and our own governments foreign policy over the last ten years. It's all very well going into other countries and doing the right thing, but if you do not have a long term strategy to help this countries when you pull out, you will create vacuums and that is where these fanatics grow. The genie is out of the bottle now and no doubt these terrorists are now leaving amongst us in probably most countries waiting to strike. I think our security forces do a fantastic job and they need a strong government to support them with the resources needed to keep up the good work.

 

[El Presidente]

I knew that would be the moot point

Police cordoning off the road outside the Finsbury Mosque in 2003 to allow Hamza and his cohortsto spew hate to 100's of that local Muslim community with impunity, just an indication of the total lack of political will to challenge those within the mosques and local Muslim communities.

It created an environment where extremism went unchallenged and therefore spawned a kind of acceptance by some within those communities, multiculturalism and an avoidance to criticise a aggressive form of religion and we get to where we are today.

Fair point, Hamza is an odious prick, but I'm not sure how stopping him spouting his vile rhetoric would have prevented the bomb on the Russian airliner or the killings in Paris.

 

[El Presidente]

Stupid post. They aren't killing people depending on whether they are male or not, they are killing non-muslims.

They have killed thousands of Muslims in Syria and Iraq though.

 

[BigGully]

Fair point, Hamza is an odious prick, but I'm not sure how stopping him spouting his vile rhetoric would have prevented the bomb on the Russian airliner or the killings in Paris.

Well we will have to wait and see how those perpetrators timelines pan out.

I suspect they have had to reside and function within a community somewhere here in Europe, we have created unchallenging and uber passive response to some extremist behaviour within some communities, that's the point.

If they have come straight from ISIS and the desert, well last time a looked borders would not be too much of an obstacle for them to come here.

 

[BigGully]

They have killed thousands of Muslims in Syria and Iraq though.

Once they arrive here, their victim of choice would be western and non Muslim.

 

[El Presidente]

Once they arrive here, their victim of choice would be western and non Muslim.

9/11 and 7/7 was indiscriminate though.

 

[Diego Napier]

Once they arrive here, their victim of choice would be western and non Muslim.

That's true however terrorist attacks by their nature are indiscriminate. Muslims have died in most atrocities; I think the military vernacular is "collateral damage".

 

[BigGully]

9/11 and 7/7 was indiscriminate though.

Yes, but they knew happily that they would kill far more western than non Muslim, I am sure a few Muslim deaths could be somehow squirrelled away under a verse from their ancient form of scripture, more doing those poor Muslims some religious favour whilst killing predominately non Muslim and western