[Finance] Seriously, this government is failing us. Schools closing...

[Weststander]

The problem with A&E is that too many people use it as a GP service. I ended up there June last year with a life threaterning issue - I was seen within ten minutes and transfered to ICU. It works for those that really should be there - not so much for those that shouldn't.

I know what you mean, that pop in bit with the triage nurses is in on the left at the Royal Sx.

But like you I’m the larger casualty back bit. Similar situation to you, I can’t fault the acute help I got or all the staff.

But in this back bit, we’ve got an army of casualties, in front of my eyes now, three sitting to what should be a small private bay. Overdosed junkies, pensioners with bowel/bladder infections, sepsis, broken arms. All serious stuff.

Respectfully, perhaps because yours was so serious, you were whisked through to ICU, so didn’t witness this warzone?

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Good point. I remember being here for endless hours as a 17 year old.

I’m hoping for a Coalition next time, with a huge number of MP’s willing to work together.

Anyone in the public who whinges about NHS spending, clearly hasn’t seriously needed it. Sometimes the health confidence that comes from being in your 20’s and 30’s when you think you’ll be healthy forever.

Hope everything is OK.

 

[beorhthelm]

The problem with A&E is that too many people use it as a GP service. I ended up there June last year with a life threaterning issue - I was seen within ten minutes and transfered to ICU. It works for those that really should be there - not so much for those that shouldn't.

this. GP end of the NHS is shockingly disorganised and inefficient, knock on effect to others. needs a radical overhaul but they made it too expensive to make them change.

 

[Weststander]

Hope everything is OK.

Ok thank you.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

this. GP end of the NHS is shockingly disorganised and inefficient, knock on effect to others. needs a radical overhaul but they made it too expensive to make them change.

Peacehaven had three doctors surgeries. Soon we will be left with just one. That didn't stop LDC giving planning permission for another 350 homes, meaning everyone in Peacehaven now has to wait even longer to see their GP, this is the problem.

 

[Bold Seagull]

this. GP end of the NHS is shockingly disorganised and inefficient, knock on effect to others. needs a radical overhaul but they made it too expensive to make them change.

Our GP is incredibly efficient and serves a lot of people in a dense urban area. They've got a really good booking system of Doctors calling back urgent bookings to evaluate the importance of them coming in. On arrival you can tap in on a screen that you've arrived, and it's all pretty fluid. I've got 3 kids so make a few visits, can always get an appointment, and never much wait in the surgery.

I can only go off personal experience as I don't know the national picture, but your statement is at odds with what I see at least.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Respectfully, perhaps because yours was so serious, you were whisked through to ICU, so didn’t witness this warzone?

Fair point - I was seen by some very senior medics and blue lighted to East Grinstead after being stabalised at Brighton ( with two doctors on board - never knew you could get to EG in less than 30 minutes !!!). Then spent two days in ICU and two days on a ward. I really couldn't fault any part of the process - they saved my life. It's the reason I get a bit touchy about people wasting the NHS's time. The GP service on the otherhand is diabolical but then it's effectively privatised.

PS - hope everything is OK.

 

[Hastings gull]

The EU portion is a rough estimate, non EU students and workers are counted by visas issued, but the amount overstaying Visas is estimated, and the methodology for the overstayers has been criticised as inaccurately high, whilst the EU numbers methodology is plus or minus up to 40%, that is the same for departures as arrivals.
I can't be sure where all these thousands are ending up, but we know the percentage of foreign born nationals working in the NHS is around 13%, and the Universities reported that about 430,000 foreign students studied in the UK in 2015/16 which is a 28% increase from 2007/8
https://www.universitiesuk.ac.uk/po...onal/International_Facts_and_Figures_2017.pdf

Assuming international students are roughly the same in numbers, a large percentage of the 625,000 arrivals in the news report you linked to would be students. The Government uses the ONS International Passenger Survey to determine numbers of overstayers on student visas and produces a figure of 90,000 annually, but when Universities check on their graduates to determine if and where they are working, they find the numbers of international students employed outside of the UK mean that no more than 40,000 remain in the UK, and the majority of those have been issued a working visa, which means they are being included as an immigrant in figures for the year they arrived as a student, and as an arrival and an overstayer in the year their student Visa expired and their working visa was issued.
There is an unconfirmed report that overstaying student numbers are actually 1500, rather than the 90,000 the IPS suggests, as determined by 12 months of exit checks that were carried out to April 2016. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/ministers-hide-report-on-migrant-numbers-dv8dbj7cz

Thanks. fascinating reading.

 

[Weststander]

Fair point - I was seen by some very senior medics and blue lighted to East Grinstead after being stabalised at Brighton ( with two doctors on board - never knew you could get to EG in less than 30 minutes !!!). Then spent two days in ICU and two days on a ward. I really couldn't fault any part of the process - they saved my life. It's the reason I get a bit touchy about people wasting the NHS's time. The GP service on the otherhand is diabolical but then it's effectively privatised.

PS - hope everything is OK.

I’ll be on a specialist ward for the weekend, when they remember me. Confident now I’m here. Gutted about missing Hudd, I’m normally a bedwetter before games, but think we’ll win 4-0!!!

I assume you made a full recovery, as you recently mentioned job hunting. I hope so.

 

[beorhthelm]

Our GP is incredibly efficient and serves a lot of people in a dense urban area.

your GP might be efficent, my GP is very nice, if i can make an appointment through the barriers, and they give priority to children. the GP system however is a problem, i shouldnt need to book to see a specific doctor for a start. on several occassions i've had to drop in centre instead. and they worked very well, showing a better model at work.

 

[pork pie]

No need to pay more tax to fund the education system or the NHS - scrap HS2 and Trident upgrade and re-direct it at these two areas instead.

Already too much wasted on the NHS. Schools are down to the LEAs, who are also wasting money.

 

[Hastings gull]

At the end of the day it is about giving the kids the best possible education, they are just innocent kids.
From surestart right through to further education it is a bloody mess due to funding, Tory brainwashed idiots like Hastings Gull still refuse to see it and May continues to deny it.
Ask any head teacher or teacher and they will tell you how they have to scrape for every penny and still face cuts, and special needs education is even worse, makes you want to throw up.
Have a think about it, this government is cutting childrens education to the bone.
It's sick, I can only think that May must hate kids, especially disabled and poor ones.
Out of all the callous and unnecessary austerity cuts this is the one that really makes my piss boil.
They have chopped and changed the curriculum, Gove wanted to bring back Latin FFS, GCSE is now all based on the exam ( yeah all kids are good at exams)
Along with almost everything this shite government has got it's grubby hands on, education is a mess, our poor children.
We should take lessons from Scandinavia and Canada.

Well, hark at our chopper! I am an idiot, he says, someone on a previous page is a mug, and with this strident tone, he then goes on to cap it all by suggesting that others are brainwashed! And now he is embarking on a very heart-warming mission, about our poor children, as he says. This is the very same person, who, on the thread about the EU, was adamant that thick people who could not understand a question, should not be allowed to vote. So, our poor children, who are not very bright, will find it hard to better themselves, being disenfranchised under his system, yet his piss apparently boils when these same children are being disadvantaged, he claims. Work that one out! Then our favourite van driver assumes he is qualified to talk about the exam system and the curriculum, and has clearly never heard of the widespread abuse surrounding coursework.
Like most people, I am wary of politicians, and whilst I would mostly vote Tory, I admire politicians of all parties, who stand up to loud-mouthed unrepresentative activists, who are all too keen to exaggerate a problem and feign genuine sympathy, when their real motives are to get at the political party they detest. And, yes, I do accept that they all do it. By all means voice concerns about education, or whatever, but extreme statements will hopefully get you nowhere.

 

[drew]

your GP might be efficent, my GP is very nice, if i can make an appointment through the barriers, and they give priority to children. the GP system however is a problem, i shouldnt need to book to see a specific doctor for a start. on several occassions i've had to drop in centre instead. and they worked very well, showing a better model at work.

I don't understand why everyone seems to complain that they can't get an appointment with a specific doctor asap. Do people think GPs are sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting for people to call? The exception is when someone may have very terminal conditions and even then, appointments/check ups are normally made a few weeks in advance. Our surgery run a daily emergency session where you go and wait and see any doctor available. It's for those occasions when you might need prompt prescription, say for anitbiotics for an ear infection etc. If I've needed to go, I'm normally seen within an hour at most, usually a lot less.

I can book appointments online as well but then you usually need to wait at least a week.

 

[Hastings gull]

Already too much wasted on the NHS. Schools are down to the LEAs, who are also wasting money.

But this not what people want to hear! My GP regularly complains about the waste, as does the pharmacist, when I pick up my mum's medicine. A few months ago, I posted what an ambulance driver told me that a certain hospital in the South East ( I won't name it) phones 2 firms to take patients home, and who ever gets there first, then does the job. The firm that then turned up in vain is also paid . . . . Whilst they are huge organisations, funded by a distant tax payer, this is what will always happen. It is very easy to spend someone else's money.

 

[drew]

Already too much wasted on the NHS. Schools are down to the LEAs, who are also wasting money.

So, that's your observation so where is your solution? Also, what examples do you have of the LEAs wasting money? Not saying you're wrong but always good to back up an argument/statement with a few facts.

 

[pork pie]

But this not what people want to hear! My GP regularly complains about the waste, as does the pharmacist, when I pick up my mum's medicine. A few months ago, I posted what an ambulance driver told me that a certain hospital in the South East ( I won't name it) phones 2 firms to take patients home, and who ever gets there first, then does the job. The firm that then turned up in vain is also paid . . . . Whilst they are huge organisations, funded by a distant tax payer, this is what will always happen. It is very easy to spend someone else's money.

No it isn't. Much better to take the bait of a rag like the Guardian/Morning Star.

 

[Hastings gull]

I don't understand why everyone seems to complain that they can't get an appointment with a specific doctor asap. Do people think GPs are sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting for people to call? The exception is when someone may have very terminal conditions and even then, appointments/check ups are normally made a few weeks in advance. Our surgery run a daily emergency session where you go and wait and see any doctor available. It's for those occasions when you might need prompt prescription, say for anitbiotics for an ear infection etc. If I've needed to go, I'm normally seen within an hour at most, usually a lot less.



I can book appointments online as well but then you usually need to wait at least a week.

Oh, come on - no one really thanks that. If you have the impression that everyone has problems, and I too share that, then there has to be something wrong. Your surgery would seem to be better in that access to the GP is easier. Where I go, and my wife who goes elsewhere, we have to phone at 8.30, and if you are lucky enough to get through, then the doctor will phone you back to assess where you need to be seen or not. Guess what happens when you try to phone dead on 8.30. . .

 

[pork pie]

So, that's your observation so where is your solution? Also, what examples do you have of the LEAs wasting money? Not saying you're wrong but always good to back up an argument/statement with a few facts.

The NHS should be privatised or replaced by an insurance based system. Schools have too many levels of "Managers" now. All on high wages.

 

[Weststander]

So, that's your observation so where is your solution? Also, what examples do you have of the LEAs wasting money? Not saying you're wrong but always good to back up an argument/statement with a few facts.

I’m not a ‘left winger’ but I’ve not heard that LEA’s or schools are wasting significant money. I stand to be corrected. The NHS and Education System need a serious injection of funding. From my real world experience, with schools, funding for all children with SEN. Life changing non diagnosis being made etc.

 

[Hastings gull]

I’m not a ‘left winger’ but I’ve not heard that LEA’s or schools are wasting significant money. I stand to be corrected. The NHS and Education System need a serious injection of funding. From my real world experience, with schools, funding for all children with SEN. Life changing non diagnosis being made etc.

It all depends in the case of schools on what you regard as a waste. I am sure that most schools do not intentionally waste huge sums of cash, as such, but of course how they spend their allocation might not always be the best. Having had all my life experience of schools, I know that in the case of staff absence in primary schools for example, some heads will save cash by talking the class, whereas others would prefer the cosy comforts of their office and happily engage agency staff - over a year, this can amount to thousands. And it has to be said that schools end up having to pay for staff, who have found out that with an agreeable GP, they can be absent for months on end, returning only when a decrease in salary is in the offing.