[TV] Seaspiracy - Anyone watched this on Netflix

[junior]

More scaremongering by the vegan brigade. I ignore all of it.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Not something I’d particularly want to watch due to some graphic stuff in it, but I’ve heard enough from people who have seen it that I’ve stopped buying fish products of any kind.

 

[CliveWalkerWingWizard]

I haven’t seen it yet but I have heard it is brill

 

[portlock seagull]

Yet to watch. These docs always make a big splash though, send shock waves through the industry.

 

[Bakero]

More scaremongering by the vegan brigade. I ignore all of it.

Do ostriches even eat fish?

 

[Comrade Sam]

Still frightened from the Al-Jazeera documentary on sand. Well worth a watch, but will give you a new massive problem to lose sleep over.

 

[Justice]

All calm down it’s a red herring

 

[vegster]

Interesting stuff and a step in the right direction but the accusations in this film are incredible and if even part of it is true it's horrific.

I don't eat much fish or seafood and this will drop further after watching this.

My meat consumption is dropping too. I had a veggie curry take away that was far nicer than the lamb one I usually have.

Lots of bad things go on that never get seen I'm afraid, there is usually a run of dead porpoises and Dolphins washed up on the local beaches when the factory ships are mid channel hoovering up Scad, Mackerel and Herring. One of the worst factors is the lack of nurture for the sea and its recources, yes catch fish ethically and in sustainable numbers and the world would be a better place. the trouble is the sea is viewed as the Klondike to be exploited rather than managed, in farming at least a livestock owner looks after his investment in animals.

 

[brighton_tom]

Lots of important points made in this doc, but not enough depth for me. There's lots of headlines thrown at you & snippets of interviews but doesnt give you much more. Its great that people are focusing on important subjects like this but not a great doc for me.

 

[RandyWanger]

Vegan here, coming in peace.

I'd have blamed the Japanese for killing more dolphins and sharks than anyone/thing else but I learnt something watching this. The industrialisation of fishing (and farming) is a huge problem for our planet and those who choose to eat fish and meat aren't getting the nutrients they think they are.

Nothing wrong with going out on your little boat, catching and eating what you need but trawling the bottom of the ocean hoovering everything up is unsustainable.

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

I call FIXTURES on these fish puns as I'm sure we did it once before?

Mate I knew years ago did a Marine Biology degree and has now built a fish farm near Nairobi and is suppling Tilapia [Nile Pike] to all the restaurants in the county.
They have Salmon farms too, so can't we engineer a solution to meet our eating needs of the other breeds?

 

[portlock seagull]

Lots of important points made in this doc, but not enough depth for me. There's lots of headlines thrown at you & snippets of interviews but doesnt give you much more. Its great that people are focusing on important subjects like this but not a great doc for me.

Just watched and agree. Not a very good documentary, but perhaps of it’s time I.e. anything too scientific and not presented by a Kardashin and people call it boring and/or can’t maintain attention span.

It does however highlight a serious problem, it that respect it’s a success. Whether changes peoples habits, as I’ve been saying 3 decades now, the fate of our wildlife will be decided by Asia. They eat just about everything and anything, without remorse. All seem to be 50 years behind the curve, the only thing that will stop them is when there’s nothing left. Which is 2048 according to the documentary. Enjoy your fish fingers whilst you can!

 

[The Optimist]

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-accused-of-misrepresentation-by-participants

It seems to be accused of overstating and false claims, which seems an odd thing to do as there is a lot wrong with global fishing without exaggerating.

 

[portlock seagull]

I call FIXTURES on these fish puns as I'm sure we did it once before?

Mate I knew years ago did a Marine Biology degree and has now built a fish farm near Nairobi and is suppling Tilapia [Nile Pike] to all the restaurants in the county.
They have Salmon farms too, so can't we engineer a solution to meet our eating needs of the other breeds?

How do you feed the farmed Salmon?

As the doc points out, nothing is sustainable. It’s a corporate BS. Utterly meaningless, doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. Helps us all sleep a little easier when we buy and it’s got a little logo saying so.

You have to go back to bigger themes like stop having children, stop flying, stop consumerism, stop capitalism, emancipate women and so forth. All of which need sorting by next Friday if we’re to stand a chance of saving the planet. Which is why I’ve held the same view for decades. Which is...we’re fecked!

 

[portlock seagull]

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-accused-of-misrepresentation-by-participants

It seems to be accused of overstating and false claims, which seems an odd thing to do as there is a lot wrong with global fishing without exaggerating.

I wouldn’t expect anything less, but really such accusations are semantics. You’d have to be a moron or a sociopathic liar to deny what’s in front of our eyes. And there are billions of humans with these traits, especially when money’s involved. Which is why you can’t stop the destruction. You’d have to kill billions of people first. It’s just never going to happen. Environment is a lost cause, not enough people interested/care. £€$¥ all matters more I’m afraid. are all way down the agenda, except the lip service one naturally.

 

[Bakero]

I wouldn’t expect anything less, but really such accusations are semantics. You’d have to be a moron or a sociopathic liar to deny what’s in front of our eyes. And there are billions of humans with these traits, especially when money’s involved. Which is why you can’t stop the destruction. You’d have to kill billions of people first. It’s just never going to happen. Environment is a lost cause, not enough people interested/care. £€$¥ all matters more I’m afraid. are all way down the agenda, except the lip service one naturally.

I agree so I wonder why the documentary makers detract from the cause by exaggerating. It just gives ammo to the opposition.

 

[vegster]

I call FIXTURES on these fish puns as I'm sure we did it once before?

Mate I knew years ago did a Marine Biology degree and has now built a fish farm near Nairobi and is suppling Tilapia [Nile Pike] to all the restaurants in the county.
They have Salmon farms too, so can't we engineer a solution to meet our eating needs of the other breeds?

I can't claim to have any knowledge on Tilapia farming but Salmon farming is wrong on multiple levels.

I'll do this in bullet points for time...

Wild Salmon eat Krill, a small crustacean in the Arctic Ocean which has a red hue, the Salmon eats so much it turns its flesh pink/red

There is lots of Omega-3 fatty acids in Krill, this makes Salmon flesh oily.

Because farmed Salmon don't eat Krill they are fed fish food ( ground up Sandeels or other baitfish ) laced with fat and a red artificial dye to make them look " Wild".

Wild Salmon only get close to each other as they go upriver to breed, they don't shoal.

Being kept in netted " tanks" in sea lochs in the hundreds of thousands means that they are prone to fungal diseases and parasitic pests known as Sea Lice.

Because of this they are " washed " in insecticides and fungicides to keep mortality down. Recently attempts have been made to capture thousands of small Wrasse, a fish that can eat Sea Lice off other fish in the manner of Cleaner Wrasse ...look it up... but this means pulling the Wrasse out of their local natural environment and messing up the food chain.

Being farmed, they are overfed to make sure they put weight on quickly, food that is missed by the Salmon falls through the bottom of the net cage and piles up on the bottom of the sea loch where it starts to rot and turns the water anoxic ( not good !)

So, farmed Salmon is artificially fed food that is dyed and has added fats, usually from Sandeels, food for many types of seabirds and fish other than Salmon ! Is bathed in pesticides and fungicides and its farming destroys the environment around it. Oh and escaped Salmon breed with Wild Salmon endangering their genetics.

Other than that its all good.

Edit: forgot to say, Morrisons ( probably the other supermarkets too ) have whole fresh Salmon on spesh at £5.99 a kilo due to oversupply thanks to the fact that exporting post-Brexit is impractical and we have tons of Salmon with little or no market.

 

[BN41Albion]

More scaremongering by the vegan brigade. I ignore all of it.

I would NEVER have guessed that your views would be such.

Imo, definitely exaggerated, but perhaps exaggeration is what it takes for many to open their eyes to the issues that do, obviously, exist.

 

[raymondo]

Cod, this thread is really floundering now

 

[Mr Putdown]

I can't claim to have any knowledge on Tilapia farming but Salmon farming is wrong on multiple levels.

I'll do this in bullet points for time...

Wild Salmon eat Krill, a small crustacean in the Arctic Ocean which has a red hue, the Salmon eats so much it turns its flesh pink/red

There is lots of Omega-3 fatty acids in Krill, this makes Salmon flesh oily.

Because farmed Salmon don't eat Krill they are fed fish food ( ground up Sandeels or other baitfish ) laced with fat and a red artificial dye to make them look " Wild".

Wild Salmon only get close to each other as they go upriver to breed, they don't shoal.

Being kept in netted " tanks" in sea lochs in the hundreds of thousands means that they are prone to fungal diseases and parasitic pests known as Sea Lice.

Because of this they are " washed " in insecticides and fungicides to keep mortality down. Recently attempts have been made to capture thousands of small Wrasse, a fish that can eat Sea Lice off other fish in the manner of Cleaner Wrasse ...look it up... but this means pulling the Wrasse out of their local natural environment and messing up the food chain.

Being farmed, they are overfed to make sure they put weight on quickly, food that is missed by the Salmon falls through the bottom of the net cage and piles up on the bottom of the sea loch where it starts to rot and turns the water anoxic ( not good !)

So, farmed Salmon is artificially fed food that is dyed and has added fats, usually from Sandeels, food for many types of seabirds and fish other than Salmon ! Is bathed in pesticides and fungicides and its farming destroys the environment around it. Oh and escaped Salmon breed with Wild Salmon endangering their genetics.

Other than that its all good.

Edit: forgot to say, Morrisons ( probably the other supermarkets too ) have whole fresh Salmon on spesh at £5.99 a kilo due to oversupply thanks to the fact that exporting post-Brexit is impractical and we have tons of Salmon with little or no market.

Salmon farming in the UK is a truly appalling industry, from start to finish.

The only point you made which I disagree with is your assertion that farmed salmon don’t eat krill. They do and in industrial quantities albeit in processed form.

https://www.qrillaqua.com/blog-and-news/10-reasons-why-krill-meal-is-a-must-for-your-salmon-feed