What he said!!!
Scottish referendum vote.
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What he said!!!
Jimmy Come Lately
Registered Loser
Just in case anyone is taking this seriously, the SNP proposals for independence have always (for as long as I can remember) included keeping the Queen as a constitutional monarch, along the lines of Australia and Canada. Except in the wackier fringes of the nationalist movement there is no appetite in Scotland to cut ties with the Commonwealth or forget our shared history in the United Kingdom and the Empire.
The goal is self-government, not a messy divorce and years of recriminations. I actually hope that an independent Scotland would finally lose the chip on its shoulder (devolution has helped) and take responsibility for its own fortunes, while the niggling inequality that England (rightly) feels around the West Lothian Question and the Barnett Formula would be resolved. We could actually have friendlier relations after separation than we have currently.
It wouldn't stop most Scots supporting "whoever's playing England", though.
Brixtaan
New member
Giving the referendum to the Scots is disrespectful to the many brave soldiers who lost their lives taking it in the first place. The referendum should be to the English asking if they wish to let it go
seagullsovergrimsby
#cpfctinpotclub
The benefit of independence for Scotland is that England can then adopt Central European Time.
Yes because effectively having a right wing dictatorship would be f***ing fantastic.
Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
Pardon? James the VI was Scottish, and inherited the English crown when Queen Elisabeth I died. The subsequent union of the parliaments was by mutual negotiation, not warfare.
- Jul 7, 2003
- 47,630
I feel sorry for them, to be honest.
They are so oppressed and put down. It must be like living in North Korea, being a Scot under English rule.
They are so oppressed and put down. It must be like living in North Korea, being a Scot under English rule.
Actually I believe that if they retain a monarchy (and obviously not all Scots are in favour of that) then the queen will still be the Queen of Scotland. The monarchists in the SNP, whilst wanting to divorce the parliaments, accept that the crowns of England and Scotland were united in 1603, when it was actually the Scottish crown that absorbed the English one with James VI of Scotland becoming James I of England.
It is worth pointing out however that the current queen is actually Elizabeth the First of Scotland, and it was the appearance of Scottish post boxes with ER II on them that helped kick-start latent Scottish nationalism back in the 1950s!
It's the position of Northern Ireland that worries me most about Scottish independence. Surely we (England) aren't going to be still lumbered with it? I think the Scots should either take it with them, or it should join with the republic. At the very least I think the English should be asked what we want to happen, or we'll end up losing the 'best' celtic nation and being stuck with the one which we've always had a troubled relationship with!
Brixtaan
New member
Listen, I know what I'm talking about, I've seen Braveheart.
Jesus. How far do people want to push this? Will people be happy if we're totally cut adrift of everyone and everything and an even smaller and even more inconsequential little country? I'm all for the United Kingdom and the EU. I'd rather be a player and part of something big than small and marginalised and inwards looking.
happypig
Staring at the rude boys
It would be quite amusing if there were a UK-wide referendum on dissolving the union and it was in favour but with a slight majority of scots opposing.
As a white man in the UK, the only time I experience racism Is from scots; there's a significant number of them up there that dislike us.
As a white man in the UK, the only time I experience racism Is from scots; there's a significant number of them up there that dislike us.
Curious Orange
Punxsatawney Phil
wardy wonder land
Active member
- Dec 10, 2007
- 791
a couple of questions on this scotch vote
a) why can't the English have a vote on indepenace as well - it is a divorce after all
2) who keeps the kids ? or does it automatically give indepenace to NI and wales ?
iii) if it is a scotch only vote, is it :
one) ALL resident people in scotchland i.e. english, isrish welsh living in scotchland
or
two) ALL scotchites globablly - i.e Jimmy living in london and Morag living in sydney
a) why can't the English have a vote on indepenace as well - it is a divorce after all
2) who keeps the kids ? or does it automatically give indepenace to NI and wales ?
iii) if it is a scotch only vote, is it :
one) ALL resident people in scotchland i.e. english, isrish welsh living in scotchland
or
two) ALL scotchites globablly - i.e Jimmy living in london and Morag living in sydney
countryman
Well-known member
- Jun 28, 2011
- 1,893
It would be nothing like a dictatorship. People would still be able to vote for who they want and the conservatives are more popular in England then Labour so they would get voted in. And it would be lovely to get rid of those left wing, bureaucracy loving, Europe loving, money wasting bastards.
No sane person can think having no competition can be a good thing for politics. (I'm no Labourite, by the way)
...and I may be wrong, but wasn't it the tories that got us into Europe, hence Enoch Powell defecting and encouraging people to vote labour?
countryman
Well-known member
- Jun 28, 2011
- 1,893
The Tories may have got us into Europe but Labour gave Europe more powers over Britain. Labour trying to get us into the euro was something we luckily didn't get. And I'm sure another party would soon be able to compete with the conservative party quite quickly if this was to happen.
Dandyman
In London village.
I assume you are about 12 or don't you remember the Single European Act signed by Thatcher or the ERM crash under Major ?
Cian
Well-known member
If they never have the referendum; or have it and say no; you're stuck funding its expensive police force and dead economy (biggest employer: the UK govt, second: Tesco... who have very, very few shops there!)
If they have it and say yes: We're stuck with it despite support for reunification being below 30% at this stage.
Joining with Scotland in some for for Celtic League might be the best thing for it but its not in the game plan at this stage.
Butch Willykins
Well-known member
Did you know there is more Pandas in Scotland than Tory MP's.
Two.
Two.