Scottish Managers

[Kinky Gerbil]

Why do they tend to produce more home grown managers who go on to do well at the top level than England?

Do they have different courses? or is it the fact they are given a chance in the Scottish top flight?

 

[Icy Gull]

Double hard bastards who take no shit from players, is a good starting point

 

[Tricky Dicky]

Double hard bastards who take no shit from players, is a good starting point

That, plus less money in their game to attract 'foreign' ones.

 

[Stinkers Bridge]

It's because they drink a gallon of Buckfast every day.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Ferguson and Moyes, other than that none are doing anything all that significant.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Ferguson and Moyes, other than that none are doing anything all that significant.

Davies, Collins, Smith, Calderwood are all usefull

 

[Tubby Mondays]

Ferguson and Moyes, other than that none are doing anything all that significant.

I think the supporters of Boston would say that Steve Evans did something 'significant' at their club.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Davies, Collins, Smith, Calderwood are all usefull

However not managing at the top end and Smith did not do much at Everton.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

However not managing at the top end and Smith did not do much at Everton.

That was a very poor Everton side, and he did a good job for Scotland.

 

[Uncle Buck]

That was a very poor Everton side, and he did a good job for Scotland.

A poor Everton side that he put together.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

It's all doon to Gordon Smith (who was looking pretty tasty on ITN News last night, and younger than he did in 1983), if he had scored that goal in the Cup Final he'd have been made Mayor of Brighton and would never have needed to work for the Scottish FA and that kinda stuff....err....

 

[sten_super]

or is it the fact they are given a chance in the Scottish top flight?

Absolutely this. Because only 2 teams in the league can afford to bring in big-name foreign managers (or foreign managers of any variety, generally speaking), there are 10 Scots managing at the top level in Scotland *waits for someone to point out a non-Scot that I hadn't thought of*. This makes them a much more viable proposition for lower range Premiership clubs. I don't know why though. Some kind of superiority complex "well he's managing at the top level in Scotland, he must be good" as prefered to "well he's only managing in the English 2nd tier, can't be up to much". There are some good managers in charge of Championship teams (Laws at Wednesday and Williams at Colchester spring to mind) but they seem unlikely to be given a chance at a Premiership club.

 

[fatbadger]

Ferguson and Moyes, other than that none are doing anything all that significant.

There may be an argument for this currently, but it's worth noting that since the last Englishman to win the top division as a manager, there have been three Scots that have done it.

As regards producing good managers, it's worth noting the Ferguson proteges from the Aberdeen days (we even had one!). Now, of course, some of his ManUtd proteges are coming through, who are less likely to be Scottish. I count four managers who played under Ferguson currently managing in the Premiership - one each from England, Scotland, Wales and the Republic of Ireland. And then there's Eric Black, Bruce's assistant at Birmingham, and caretaker betwen him and McLeish.

 

[fatbadger]

This makes them a much more viable proposition for lower range Premiership clubs. I don't know why though.

There is the issue that a manager at Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen etc has a good chance at getting at least UEFA Cup experience, whereas it's harder for midrange English Premier managers to get the same experience - and virtually impossible for lower range ones to do so.

 

[Uncle Buck]

There may be an argument for this currently, but it's worth noting that since the last Englishman to win the top division as a manager, there have been three Scots that have done it.

As regards producing good managers, it's worth noting the Ferguson proteges from the Aberdeen days (we even had one!). Now, of course, some of his ManUtd proteges are coming through, who are less likely to be Scottish. I count four managers who played under Ferguson currently managing in the Premiership - one each from England, Scotland, Wales and the Republic of Ireland. And then there's Eric Black, Bruce's assistant at Birmingham, and caretaker betwen him and McLeish.

It is a worry that the last English manager to win the top league was Wilkinson. The is that in the mid 1990's there were some promising young English managers coming through (Hoddle, Robson, Wilkins and Keegan), yet they have either not delivered, or have since managed England and been consigned to the scrap heap.

I think these failures have been partly to blame for English managers not coming through now.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

There are some good managers in charge of Championship teams (Laws at Wednesday and Williams at Colchester spring to mind) but they seem unlikely to be given a chance at a Premiership club.

Though, Williams is Welsh, anyway!

 

[sten_super]

It is a worry that the last English manager to win the top league was Wilkinson. The is that in the mid 1990's there were some promising young English managers coming through (Hoddle, Robson, Wilkins and Keegan), yet they have either not delivered, or have since managed England and been consigned to the scrap heap.

I think these failures have been partly to blame for English managers not coming through now.

Keegan consigned himself to the scrap heap, while Hoddle has had plenty of chances to prove himself since he left the England job... and has failed.

Though, Williams is Welsh, anyway!

D'oh! Although in fairness, I wasn't talking specifically about nationality, more about the fact that managers from the Championship are finding it harder and harder to get decent jobs.

 

[Uncle Buck]

D'oh! Although in fairness, I wasn't talking specifically about nationality, more about the fact that managers from the Championship are finding it harder and harder to get decent jobs.

I agree with that.

In recent years, Moyes seems to have been the only one that has been appointed from a Championship club and then given time to build a side. Although I suppose Redknapp was at a Championship club when he went back to Pompey.

However how did Sanchez end up in a Premiership job? Wycombe sacked him...

 

[Badger]

They do also produce toss managers




Mark Mcghee

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I agree with that.

In recent years, Moyes seems to have been the only one that has been appointed from a Championship club and then given time to build a side. Although I suppose Redknapp was at a Championship club when he went back to Pompey.

However how did Sanchez end up in a Premiership job? Wycombe sacked him...

You could say the same about Hughes.