[Football] Scotland vs England

[Icy Gull]

…. or, France, Belgium and Italy have a bucketloads of players we can only dream of.

They also have managers that have won things at the top level as players or managers or both, spot the difference with the England manager

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

My take. It is for sure a disappointing result. But we haven’t played well in 2 games yet have 4 points and should qualify.

Teams that win these things are often slow burners. This team have got several gears to go to, and we haven’t even seen Sancho yet.

Good point - think Southgate is a lucky manager, in that respect


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[pb21]

Terrible, unambitious, risk averse performance. However, a draw between us and the Czechs in the final game puts both of us through in first and second place. Neither of us has a particular motivation to win the game. A draw would mean that we would be second and would avoid the runners up from Group F. That dull performance and negative approach has actually put us in the best position to progress in the easier side of the first knockout stage. I'd surely be over-estimating Southgate to imagine that this was his aim, but, following Croatia's equaliser, the draw was probably the best result for us.

Reminds me of the last World Cup, got to the semi finals then

 

[Eeyore]

Impressive stats, how many of those goals were against top teams? I know that a VERY small percentage were against decent teams in meaningful matches for England

You can only score against who you are playing against.

He's scored against Dortmund, Juventus, Barcelona and Bayern in Europe. He seems to score against most opponents. Not sure there is an EPL team he hasn't scored against.

And that's playing for a team that is increasingly average.

He's even scored against Brighton.

 

[Motogull]

Terrible, unambitious, risk averse performance. However, a draw between us and the Czechs in the final game puts both of us through in first and second place. Neither of us has a particular motivation to win the game. A draw would mean that we would be second and would avoid the runners up from Group F. That dull performance and negative approach has actually put us in the best position to progress in the easier side of the first knockout stage. I'd surely be over-estimating Southgate to imagine that this was his aim, but, following Croatia's equaliser, the draw was probably the best result for us.

Yes, a 'fall back' advantage but I'd rather us on a run and taking the big nobs on toe to toe.

 

[Weststander]

Is it just me or does Sourness look like an aged Glenn Murray?

Both look after themselves. Slim, not succumbing to the demon snacks and booze of the rest of us. B*stards.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Steady on, old fruit!

Now your just taking the pith.

 

[DarrenFreemansPerm]

Reminds me of the last World Cup, got to the semi finals then

Played 7 games, won 3, lost 3 and drew 1 but went through on penalties. Panama, Tunisia and Sweden were the footballing giants that England toppled. We got massively lucky.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

…. or, France, Belgium and Italy have a bucketloads of players we can only dream of.

They also move the ball a lot more quickly than we do.

In fact we’re pedestrian in comparison


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[Pint of Ale and a Burger]

Didn't bother staying to watch the autopsy, but I imagined almost word for word what he would say so I don't feel like I missed anything. Lots of eye contact, humble talk of "growth" and "the group". "Taking a lot from the game", lathering praise on Scotland's performance.

Southgate said "Scotland defended valiantly"

 

[1066familyman]

Trying, desperately trying it's probably best said, to put a positive spin on it...

Big derby game. All the pressure on us not to lose.

All we really have to do in fact is not lose to pretty much see us out of the group.

You don't win tournaments in group games.

One game at a time.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Let's judge him when we play one of the bigger boys in a knockout game.

 

[Icy Gull]

You can only score against who you are playing against.

He's scored against Dortmund, Juventus, Barcelona and Bayern in Europe. He seems to score against most opponents. Not sure there is an EPL team he hasn't scored against.

And that's playing for a team that is increasingly average.

He's even scored against Brighton.

Fair enough, maybe it’s unfair of me to think he’s close to useless against decent teams in International tournaments

 

[Prettyboyshaw]

Disgusting performance. If you cant get up for Scotland at Wembley hand your caps back. Slow, no passion, no tactics, they should be ashamed as players.

BUT not as much as the fraud in charge. Done sweet FA as a manager apart from blowing those in the FA! How you can keep your job after falling into a WC semi and performing to badly then turn quality players into league 2 cannon fodder is beyond me. Mind you he is only paid several million a year best bump it up to motivate him.

 

[peterward]

Disappointed by Southgate in that interview.
Blaming it on youngsters not being used to the occasion when it was his desicions that ****ed things up.
Very poor,and looked like a man under pressure.

As a person Southgate speaks well and seems a decent enough fella, I honestly have always felt he's not up to the job tactically. A failed Boro manager, pretty unspectacular in the U21's and gets the job as a compliant FA yes man.

On merit or on CV he'd be nowhere near the England managers job, we have a talented bunch of players who are not playing as a team and the tactics and substitutions are all over the place.

That's down to Southgate.

 

[Weststander]

They also have managers that have won things at the top level as players or managers or both, spot the difference with the England manager

Do we have very special players who can and do control internationals, impossible to get the ball off, creating chances in a second or having the pace to destroy anyone in a second?

No way.

The Italians have the brilliant Immobile, we have the immobile. Kante, Mbappe, Immobile and De Bruyne are light years ahead of our best.

 

[Eeyore]

Fair enough, maybe it’s unfair of me to think he’s close to useless against decent teams in International tournaments

He's only played in two. I'm not sure that failing to score against Croatia by a posts width in the semi-final constitutes a damning judgement. He won't score in every game. He still manged six others though.

 

[1066familyman]

Not wrong, but they’re enjoying it. Souness is being utterly gleeful.

... As they face a must win game against Croatia.

He's welcome

 

[pb21]

Played 7 games, won 3, lost 3 and drew 1 but went through on penalties. Panama, Tunisia and Sweden were the footballing giants that England toppled. We got massively lucky.

Yeah, I know, but maybe Southgate has played another blinder and will get us another comfortable route to the semis again

 

[pb21]

Not wrong, but they’re enjoying it. Souness is being utterly gleeful.

Be fair, they have just not lost.