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[Politics] Scotland / England Border



clapham_gull

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Aug 20, 2003
25,991
With the inevitable break up of the Union post Brexit and Scotland rejoining the EU as an independent country, that's gonna be a thorny one isn't it ? (*)

(*) Borders can always be made out something else than thorns.
 




Giraffe

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Aug 8, 2005
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I thought the same today. Bet it won’t be though. If the EU want Scotland they’ll compromise! Boot on the other foot.
 






Tom Hark Preston Park

Will Post For Cash
Jul 6, 2003
72,740
It'd be exactly the same as the non-military anti-smuggling border that the EU are quite rightly trying to implement on the island of Ireland. Why would any responsible trading bloc NOT do that? :shrug:
 




Tony Towner's Fridge

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Aug 22, 2003
5,552
GLASGOW,SCOTLAND,UK
With the impending Alex 'Guilty as F**K and Custodial Sentence' Salmond court case likely to blow the Scottish National Socialist Party to oblivion.....it will never happen..

Rest easy...whiskey supply will be maintained South of the Border....


TNBA

TTF
 




NooBHA

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Jan 13, 2015
8,592
It would create a very different issue to the Irish Border.

There would be free movement of people into Scotland. Then people just need to get on a train down to England.

Westminster needs to give another Scottish Independence vote as quickly as possible and just hope the Scottish people vote against it. If they reject it then it will galvanize people to vote to leave because the people won't like being told they can't decide for themselves.

If Boris Johnson doesn't see this he is dafter than I thought.

Scotland would still vote to stay at the moment but if they have another 3 years of having a Referendum witheld that would probably swing it the other way
 




vegster

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May 5, 2008
28,293
I used to think that the UK was better together including Scotland and I did not want them to leave when they had their referendum. Now, after the last 3-4 years I am starting to respect their view for wanting independence, Westminster and particularly the Tories, have no love for anything much north in this island.

Let Scotland go and I hope they make a good go of it, I'd even be tempted to emigrate myself with the country in the state it is now, despite Boris's empty promises for spaffing cash he hasn't got.
 


PILTDOWN MAN

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Sep 15, 2004
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It will take years for an independent Scotland to join the EU. Added to which would they want them. They would be a poor addition.
 








Harry Wilson's tackle

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Oct 8, 2003
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Faversham
I used to think that the UK was better together including Scotland and I did not want them to leave when they had their referendum. Now, after the last 3-4 years I am starting to respect their view for wanting independence, Westminster and particularly the Tories, have no love for anything much north in this island.

Let Scotland go and I hope they make a good go of it, I'd even be tempted to emigrate myself with the country in the state it is now, despite Boris's empty promises for spaffing cash he hasn't got.

I used to want Scotland with us as all those jocko labour MPs kept the blue shite at bay. Now things have changed and the SNP rule roost I don't give a toss. It is another country, and one that always supports ABTE in sport. I give them my best wishes. Ta ra.
 


lawros left foot

Glory hunting since 1969
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Jun 11, 2011
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It will take years for an independent Scotland to join the EU. Added to which would they want them. They would be a poor addition.

If the EU is as vindictive and power hungry as Farage, Johnson, Rees- Mogg would have us believe, they would glory in having an independent Scotland back in the fold,if only to thumb their noses at England and it's remaining vassal state,Wales.
 




Eeyore

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Apr 5, 2014
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Of course, it would depend on the trading agreement the UK had with the EU at the time, or with an independent Scotland, or, **** it.

They can't have a referendum.
 


dangull

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Feb 24, 2013
5,179
They would have to join the Euro by being new members of the EU. That will always lose votes in another independence referendum.
 


BNthree

Plastic JCL
Sep 14, 2016
11,517
WeHo
It will take years for an independent Scotland to join the EU. Added to which would they want them. They would be a poor addition.

Reckon Spain would do all they can to stop Scotland joining the EU happening as it they have regions such as Catalonia that want to leave Spain and it sets a precedent.
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,065
basic problem for Scotish independence is their trade is some ~65% with UK, 15% with the EU. so economic arguements for UK staying in EU apply to Scotland staying in the UK, regardless of brexit outcome. their primary industry oil and gas will be gone in under couple of decades and second industry finance will be drawn to UK or elsewhere (probably good for northern England). the current £13bn deficit is >7% Scottish GDP, half the total UK deficit. if they join EU they'll be expected to sign up to the Euro and adjust their finances to align.
 




GT49er

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Feb 1, 2009
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With the inevitable break up of the Union post Brexit and Scotland rejoining the EU as an independent country, that's gonna be a thorny one isn't it ? (*)

What makes people think the EU would want the Scots back in? The 'Auld Alliance' was always a Scottish dream - the French weren't too keen on it.
 


Pavilionaire

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Jul 7, 2003
31,318
The EU will not forget that in 2016 the Scots voted overwhelmingly to Remain.

I also think logistically there is demand for a British Isles mainland base that is still in the EU.

Lastly, smaller nations in the EU have been treated with respect. I see Finland presently holds the Presidency. Scotland would be a good fit, and whilst EU membership and having the Euro as their currency is not independence in the literal sense to be unshackled from Westminster and Pro-Brexit England is psychologically huge.
 


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