[Albion] Sanchez pass

[dazzer6666]

https://theathletic.com/2921703/202...-keepers-aggressive-style-and-huge-potential/

 

[drew]

I think some have forgotten that not so long ago we had a keeper considered decent for most of his time here, who let shots into the corners bulge the net because he was too short to reach most of them. Hardly ever claimed a high ball or cross and regularly parried balls straight to the opposition.

I’ll take the flawed Sanchez every time thanks

what a load of garbage.

For the vast majority of time Ryan was here he was a good keeper for us but you're trying to make him out to be bumbling buffoon. Yes, Sanchez is a better keeper and has the potential to be considerably better but Ryan wasn't shit.

 

[Terry Butcher Tribute Act]

https://theathletic.com/2921703/202...-keepers-aggressive-style-and-huge-potential/

Brighton young player has dip in form, Naylor puts out piece saying how wonderful they are. Standard.



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[Icy Gull]

what a load of garbage.

For the vast majority of time Ryan was here he was a good keeper for us but you're trying to make him out to be bumbling buffoon. Yes, Sanchez is a better keeper and has the potential to be considerably better but Ryan wasn't shit.

Never said he was shit or a buffoon and it wasn't my intention to put anything like that across, but are you saying it's garbage that he often couldn't reach balls a tall keeper can, or that he didn't parry quite a bit or that he took lots of high balls into the box and from corners? If so you saw a different player to me. He served us really well and did have some excellent games but I think Sanchez is better than him in all the points I mention. I hope you are having a pop at those knocking Sanchez too?

 

[bomber130]

I keep watching Liverpool’s second goal and am in two minds as to whether he should have come out for the cross.


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[drew]

Never said he was shit or a buffoon and it wasn't my intention to put anything like that across, but are you saying it's garbage that he often couldn't reach balls a tall keeper can, or that he didn't parry quite a bit or that he took lots of high balls into the box and from corners? If so you saw a different player to me. He served us really well and did have some excellent games but I think Sanchez is better than him in all the points I mention. I hope you are having a pop at those knocking Sanchez too?

Of course he can't reach some balls that a taller keeper can but I don't remember him parrying loads to the opposition. Compare him to what many consider the better keepers in the division.

2019/20 season

Ryan Saves 117, Punches 11, High Claims 16, Catches 5
De Gae, 96, 9, 9,11
Allison 58, 9, 7, 6
Ederson 68, 8,12, 3
Schmeichel 96, 8,14,12
Pope 120, 11, 46, 6
Pickford 94,11, 19, 7

There's another stat on the premier league website, errors leading to goals. In 2019/20 Ryan doesn't even feature in the list despite 38 appearances.

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/error_lead_to_goal.

I'm not arguing that Sanchez isn't a better keeper but there seems a contingent on here that want to rewrite history just because Ryan wasn't as tall as Robert Wadlow!!!

 

[Bakero]

Brighton young player has dip in form, Naylor puts out piece saying how wonderful they are. Standard.



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Naylor wrote the intro but the lion's share came from the Athletic's "goalkeeping expert", Matt Pyzdrowski.

 

[chaileyjem]

Brighton young player has dip in form, Naylor puts out piece saying how wonderful they are. Standard.



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Not sure he's had a dip in form - he's just played against 2 of the best teams in Europe - but if you mean he's made mistakes in his last two games then these are referenced in detail in that article.

 

[Terry Butcher Tribute Act]

Not sure he's had a dip in form - he's just played against 2 of the best teams in Europe - but if you mean he's made mistakes in his last two games then these are referenced in detail in that article.

3 games. No mention of Norwich in the article. Not one of the best teams in Europe but the worst in the Premier League. I do subscribe to the Athletic but it frustrates me that Naylor is just the club mouthpiece for football enthusiasts, whereas other club specialists actually dig deep into everything good and bad about a football club. I might have mentioned this before. Not sure if it's Camillin, Barber or Ashworth policy but it's sickly sometimes - you should be able to call it if someone has a blinder and call it if it's crap without the PR.

For what it's worth i think Sanchez is absolutely class. But the timing of this one, when he's had his first 'sticky' patch, is just a tad odd.

Maybe I'm too much of a sceptic and it was a preplanned piece for his first anniversary but I'm not convinced, given Naylor has only penned one vaguely negative piece in 2 and a half seasons with the Athletic

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[Stat Brother]

I'm not arguing that Sanchez isn't a better keeper but there seems a contingent on here that want to rewrite history just because Ryan wasn't as tall as Robert Wadlow!!!

Timely as we're going for yet another round on Connolly!

By the way they write I'm sure some posters believe they aren't allowed to love Sanchez unless they first prove how much they hate Ryan.
(Who himself was always judged by his pre season horror show and not the following 2 seasons)

Ryan was a decent keeper.
Was ideal for the way we played.
Produced many a 'worldie' save.
Did more than his bit for the positive points total.

But Sanchez is better.
By every conceivable metric Sanchez is the better keeper.

That doesn't take anything away from Ryan, it just proves how lucky we are.

 

[Terry Butcher Tribute Act]

Timely as we're going for yet another round on Connolly!

By the way they write I'm sure some posters believe they aren't allowed to love Sanchez unless they first prove how much they hate Ryan.
(Who himself was always judged by his pre season horror show and not the following 2 seasons)

Ryan was a decent keeper.
Was ideal for the way we played.
Produced many a 'worldie' save.
Did more than his bit for the positive points total.

But Sanchez is better.
By every conceivable metric Sanchez is the better keeper.

That doesn't take anything away from Ryan, it just proves how lucky we are.

Good post.

Ryan was very very good (maybe not Sanchez good, but very good). Then for whatever reason something happened and he started to stop saving shots. A big problem for a keeper. Everything went in. He fell out with someone before Spurs away, probably Maupay, and that was that

Thank god someone spotted Sanchez was better than Walton when they did.

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[JBizzle]

I think some have forgotten that not so long ago we had a keeper considered decent for most of his time here, who let shots into the corners bulge the net because he was too short to reach most of them. Hardly ever claimed a high ball or cross and regularly parried balls straight to the opposition.

I’ll take the flawed Sanchez every time thanks

Wayne Henderson left us years ago. Get over it

 

[Whitechapel]

Of course he can't reach some balls that a taller keeper can but I don't remember him parrying loads to the opposition. Compare him to what many consider the better keepers in the division.

2019/20 season

Ryan Saves 117, Punches 11, High Claims 16, Catches 5
De Gae, 96, 9, 9,11
Allison 58, 9, 7, 6
Ederson 68, 8,12, 3
Schmeichel 96, 8,14,12
Pope 120, 11, 46, 6
Pickford 94,11, 19, 7

There's another stat on the premier league website, errors leading to goals. In 2019/20 Ryan doesn't even feature in the list despite 38 appearances.

https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/error_lead_to_goal.

I'm not arguing that Sanchez isn't a better keeper but there seems a contingent on here that want to rewrite history just because Ryan wasn't as tall as Robert Wadlow!!!

I’m not going to slag Ryan off, but your logic is entirely flawed here. Of course he made more saves than Allison and Ederson. They were playing for teams who gave away a fraction of the shots we did. The only keeper you’ve given there who was in a comparable team outperforms him in every category

Saves is an almost useless metric for comparing goalkeepers without save % or xGA to back it up.

 

[Charlies Shinpad]

I keep watching Liverpool’s second goal and am in two minds as to whether he should have come out for the cross.


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If you look at it again I think in the heat of the moment.
1/ He though Duffy was going to get it
2/ The ball was curling away from him.
But I'm no goalkeeping expert

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[drew]

I’m not going to slag Ryan off, but your logic is entirely flawed here. Of course he made more saves than Allison and Ederson. They were playing for teams who gave away a fraction of the shots we did. The only keeper you’ve given there who was in a comparable team outperforms him in every category

Saves is an almost useless metric for comparing goalkeepers without save % or xGA to back it up.

It's not flawed as I'm not saying based on those stats he is better or worse than the others. I'm just using them to counter the anecdotal evidence of Icy Gull. I've just compared him to other keepers in the division from the top to the bottom. Of course a team like we were are going to be under attack more than a team at the top which is why I included Pope and there is little difference between their stats apart from the high claims. The only way the stats would be comparable is if the keepers faced the same number of shots, crosses, high claims etc.

The interesting one is the lack of errors leading to goals whereas Icy Gull was suggesting he was always parrying the ball to the opposition. Seems strange that if that were the case then it's surprising none of the opposition scored from them!

 

[drew]

Wayne Henderson left us years ago. Get over it

Think he was a keeper who will be forever grateful that there wasn't the in depth analysis of performance when he was playing!!

 

[jonny.rainbow]

People are only blaming him for today’s goal because they don’t want to lay any of the blame on Dunk.

If Burn had done that it would have been his fault, obviously

I’m not suggesting Dunk plays no part in the ‘non-goal’, but just consider his options when receives the pass from Cucurella. He is already being pressed by Salah, and Firmino, TAA and Oxlade-Chamberlain are closing down the simple passes the way Dunk was facing when he received the ball, forcing him into playing it to ‘go home’.



Traditionalists would’ve said Cucurella should’nt have played the ball back in towards goal, but that’s not the way our players are being asked to play anymore.

No one player at fault. It is something that will happen from time to time in the way we play.

 

[Igzilla]

I blame Stockdale.

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

Nope. Sanchez HAS had 3 howlers in the last 3 games. There's no ifs. He's given a team an open goal by missing the ball with a clearance, dropped a cross on the striker, and kicked a ball at the striker when 2 yards out today. This isn't controversial or hindsight, it's something that needs to be nipped in the bud.

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Nipped in bud yes, DUNK you prick don't pass back in that situation. There you go done it.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Nipped in bud yes, DUNK you prick don't pass back in that situation. There you go done it.