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Sam Morsy: Ipswich Town captain did not wear rainbow armband because of 'religious beliefs'

Ipswich Town say captain Sam Morsy did not wear a rainbow armband during the Premier League loss at Nottingham Forest because of religious beliefs.

www.bbc.co.uk

Thoughts?…

 

[Frutos]

Happy to wear shirts with gambling logos on though.

That said, people should have freedom of choice - don't want to end up like the Poppy Police.

 

[Hiheidi]

It seems to have irked a fair few people.

 

[Commander]

I think anybody with deep religious beliefs who DOES wear a rainbow armband is a hypocrite.

Why do we have to tell people how they should think? He should be free to believe whatever he wants, however abhorrent those beliefs may seem to the rest of the population.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I think anybody with deep religious beliefs who DOES wear a rainbow armband is a hypocrite.

Agree, but as others have pointed out he doesn’t appear to have issues with gambling companies being advertised on shirts.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Agree, but as others have pointed out he doesn’t appear to have issues with gambling companies being advertised on shirts.

He seems to have cherry picked what his religious beliefs forbid him to do. Supporting the sin of gambling okay, homosexuality not. Twat.

 

[BBassic]

It seems to have irked a fair few people.

Some of the replies in that thread are quite something.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Happy to wear shirts with gambling logos on though.

That said, people should have freedom of choice - don't want to end up like the Poppy Police.

Oh the irony.

I think he's a prick for his 'religion'.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

He seems to have cherry picked what his religious beliefs forbid him to do. Supporting the sin of gambling okay, homosexuality not. Twat.

This.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I think anybody with deep religious beliefs who DOES wear a rainbow armband is a hypocrite.

Why do we have to tell people how they should think? He should be free to believe whatever he wants, however abhorrent those beliefs may seem to the rest of the population.

I think anyone with deeply racist beliefs who refuses to shake hands with a black man is a hypocrite.

Some times not being a **** is better than not being a hypocrite.

 

[Gabbiano]

If Ipswich's position is to support the Rainbow Laces campaign then the solution could have been that another player was made captain for that game who would wear the armband.

The approach they took would make me question the club if I were a gay Ipswich fan.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

To be clear, if he refuses to engage with rainbows that's his business.

And if people infer he's a homophobic prick, that's our business.

 

[Eeyore]

He was signed to play football and not to deliver cultural messages, however relevant and right they are (such as this).

Even for causes I fully support, sometimes I feel that the Liberal Puritanism in society is becoming a blanket doctrine that marginalises those who may not always agree. It makes me uncomfortable seeing it, even though I am fully onboard with most of the messaging.

If I had a discussion with him about being gay I would tell him he was wrong, and why I thought his religious beliefs were wrong. But I would always champion his right to be wrong (in my opinion). You do not change society to change people, you change people to change society. And that comes through discourse, not forced observations.

The football league knows full well that when it comes to poppies and rainbow laces etc there may be players who are uncomfortable. If it is that some refuse it should respected. If it is an issue, then just don't sign them.

 

[pigmanovich]

If Ipswich's position is to support the Rainbow Laces campaign then the solution could have been that another player was made captain for that game who would wear the armband.

The approach they took would make me question the club if I were a gay Ipswich fan.

Same thing Sheff Utd should have done last season when Ahmedhodzic refused.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

He was signed to play football and not to deliver cultural messages, however relevant and right they are (such as this).

Even for causes I fully support, sometimes I feel that the Liberal Puritanism in society is becoming a blanket doctrine that marginalises those who may not always agree. It makes me uncomfortable seeing it, even though I am fully onboard with most of the messaging.

If I had a discussion with him about being gay I would tell him he was wrong, and why I thought his religious beliefs were wrong. But I would always champion his right to be wrong (in my opinion). You do not change society to change people, you change people to change society. And that comes through discourse, not forced observations.

The football league knows full well that when it comes to poppies and rainbow laces etc there may be players who are uncomfortable. If it is that some refuse it should respected. If it is an issue, then just don't sign them.

I salute your generosity while raising an eyebrow.

If this had been poppies, worn by every footballer, manager, cleaner, tea lady, presenter, cameraman and all, there would have been no variation from the theme of condemnation.

Since it's 'poofs' it seems that he should be cut some slack.

Bollocks to that.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

To be clear, if he refuses to engage with rainbows that's his business.

And I presume he’ll understand people who, due to their belief system, are intolerant of Muslims

 

[Bozza]

That said, people should have freedom of choice - don't want to end up like the Poppy Police.

I don't follow the women's team as closely as I should - what's she done?

 

[Me and my Monkey]

He seems to have cherry picked what his religious beliefs forbid him to do. Supporting the sin of gambling okay, homosexuality not. Twat.

Isn't that what religion's all about? Cherry picking whatever doctrine you feel validates your beliefs?

 

[Eeyore]

I salute your generosity while raising an eyebrow.

If this had been poppies, worn by every footballer, manager, cleaner, tea lady, presenter, cameraman and all, there would have been no variation from the theme of condemnation.

Since it's 'poofs' it seems that he should be cut some slack.

Bollocks to that.

It's the same to me but I can only speak as an individual here. How others respond is not my remit. I support both the wearing of poppies and rainbow laces. But I don't support the chagrin of those who attack players etc for opting out. It's when these things aren't seen as an option that I start to feel uncomfortable.

To me this is a non story. He simply has an outdated religious belief which I feel sorry for him being enslaved to.

And I also feel that some of those having a go outwith here aren't the sort to hold a rainbow flag during Pride Week. Motivation has many layers.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Same thing Sheff Utd should have done last season when Ahmedhodzic refused.

It's the same to me but I can only speak as an individual here. How others respond is not my remit. I support both the wearing of poppies and rainbow laces. But I don't support the chagrin of those who attack players etc for opting out. It's when these things aren't seen as an option that I start to feel uncomfortable.

Good point.

Here's the thing. I grew up with an antipathy to the poppy phenomenon. I was 'persuaded' to give it another look largely by people on NSC. Two years ago I bought a BHA poppy badge. Last year I forgot. This year I bought one again. And I am happy to support the causes.

But when the likes of Alfredmizen stalked NSC, I was very uncomfortable with the strident attitude. Somehow I was a traitor for not Poppying.

Likewise, I'd feel irritated about being bullied into Rainbowing. But that's it. I'd feel irritated about being bullied. It isn't that I disapprove of Remembrance. It isn't that my religion teaches against Remembrance.

This footballer, like the one last year ats Sheffield United, doesn't feel feel bullied.

He intrinsically disapproves of homosexuality, because he imagines this is what Islam teaches. Very different narrative, and one that I deplore.

He is free to do it and I am free to boo him. Boo. BOO! Boo.