[News] Sam Kerr (well someone had to)

[portlock seagull]

I think one bold thing explains the other.

Both parties probably disingenuous. Only they truly know. Regardless, been fascinating and worthwhile use of cjs.

 

[bluenitsuj]

All those sticking up for her or saying it's not racist is either ' stupid and white' or 'stupid and black'.

 

[The Optimist]

I agree with that by and large.

But if someone 'of colour' called me stupid and white I'd call them a racist ****.
I wouldn't call them a racist black **** though.
Because that would be racist.

Money has won here.

What if someone called you stupid and white because you had been dismissing everything they said for the last 30 minutes because they weren’t white (which I think is roughly speaking Sam Kerr’s defence)? Is it not then the case that being white is relevant (not the sole reason) to how you’ve been behaving?

 

[ROSM]

I do love how nsc has the might of the outraged on both sides. What we do know is that the cps originally decided it didn't meet the bar to prosecute. The police officer made a second statement with the hurt and distress comments and the decision was reviewed and reversed.

The costs of the damage to the vehicle plus something for the cab driver were paid which meant a prosecution for criminal damage didn't happen

The jury sat through a week of evidence including watching all the body cam footage presented (how many here even watched the 30min section released?) and decided after 4hrs deliberation that she was not guilty

The judge has commented that her behaviour heavily contributed to the case being brought and that costs will reflect this.

Given all that, who am I to question her guilt or otherwise?

What i would say is that a full 'silk' kc was employed when you or i would probably get a pupil or junior barrister. And given the heavy delay in getting court time especially for serious sexual offences to be heard I don't think anybody comes out of this looking good!

 

[jcdenton08]

Prima facie, this looks like a miscarriage of justice.

 

[Bakero]

All those sticking up for her or saying it's not racist is either ' stupid and white' or 'stupid and black'.

What about stupid and Samoan?

 

[Bakero]

Prima facie, this looks like a miscarriage of justice.

Sure, but then when you read a couple of posts by those who have actually followed the case, not so much.

 

[jcdenton08]

Sure, but then when you read a couple of posts by those who have actually followed the case, not so much.

It all comes back to changing one word. In identical - and I mean identical - circumstances. If a black/Asian police officer had behaved exactly the same, if everything was the same, except it had been a white person calling the officer “stupid and black/Asian”, I think there could very well have been a different outcome.

To even mention race in the context of the situation is automatically a signal of the person’s intention to cause racial distress. Otherwise they’d say “stupid and ignorant”.

Or if she felt she was being disregarded because of her own race “stupid and racist”. The second race is introduced into the conversation alongside a derogatory statement, it becomes racially motivated which is an offence.

 

[The Fits]

I really feel like this thing is a non-story and a total waste of everyone’s time.
God forbid we actually concentrate on proper crimes.
Love NSC for the total outrage it’s inspired though.

 

[BadFish]

It all comes back to changing one word. In identical - and I mean identical - circumstances. If a black/Asian police officer had behaved exactly the same, if everything was the same, except it had been a white person calling the officer “stupid and black/Asian”, I think there could very well have been a different outcome.

To even mention race in the context of the situation is automatically a signal of the person’s intention to cause racial distress. Otherwise they’d say “stupid and ignorant”.

Or if she felt she was being disregarded because of her own race “stupid and racist”. The second race is introduced into the conversation alongside a derogatory statement, it becomes racially motivated which is an offence.

the discrepency appears to sit ariund if the policeofficer was harmed by thr comment. the prosecution couldnt prove he was, mainly because he didnt mention it at first and then added it 11 months later.

i would suspect that if the roles were reversed and the officer was a minority, assuming they also left out the harm for 11 months, the result would be the same.

 

[BadFish]

I really feel like this thing is a non-story and a total waste of everyone’s time.
God forbid we actually concentrate on proper crimes.
Love NSC for the total outrage it’s inspired though.

we do so love to play the race card, especially the OP.

 

[schmunk]

What is the world coming to when, despite being presented with a full set of evidence detailing this heinous, aggravated racial assault, a jury of 12 ZEALOTS can find this coloured, homo, Chelski, member of the lesser sex to be "Not Uppity".

FUMMIN


#judiciaryout

 

[Bodian]

She also complained during the discussion that the Police didn't understand the issue because they were male. I note she wasn't charged with sexism.

 

[nevergoagain]

She's acted like an absolute dick but has been found not guilty of a criminal offence. Not sure that's double standards or weedy apologism.

Funny really, if someone had been found a criminal for calling someone stupid and black, many of the same people moaning about the justice system today would be moaning about snowfloke culture.

Not sure about that to be honest.

 

[BadFish]

She also complained during the discussion that the Police didn't understand the issue because they were male. I note she wasn't charged with sexism.

No-one is to argue they understand sexism more than an Australian woman

 

[jcdenton08]

we do so love to play the race card, especially the OP.

In fairness, there was only one person to bring race into this, and that was Sam Kerr.

 

[BadFish]

In fairness, there was only one person to bring race into this, and that was Sam Kerr.

On NSC? Surely not.

 

[Triggaaar]

It would actually be ‘you don’t understand because you’re stupid and white’ which means she thinks most white people would understand (and all non-white people)

In which case she should have just said 'you don’t understand because you’re stupid' (a perfectly fine insult). She brought race into it, in a derogatory manor, which is racist.

Now I'm not suggesting that the book be thrown at her and she get locked away, but I would like to the court call out racism (of which the vast majority is against ethnic minorities) for what it is.

The impact on people of racism has got to be easier to understand if you are the victim of racism yourself.

Although I understand your point, the police officer in this case was a victim of racism. If she really needed to make the point that she didn't think he'd understand, she could have just said something like 'I don't think you know what it's like to be a minority and face racism' or something. It's pretty obvious she was just throwing insults, and skin colour was one. If we look at the rest of the case, she was behaving badly and trying to play the victim, despite the fact that she was being driven to a police station and was perfectly safe.

What the teaching assistant said to your son sounds completely wrong. Did you report it to the school and did anything happen?

Yes. To make the insult more obtuse, my son is physically disabled and disadvantaged rather than privileged. He's also very sweet, and believed them and felt bad for being this privileged white person. The head teacher apologised and the assistant left (there must have been other reasons for them leaving, because we only wrote a quick complaint and didn't have a meeting or anything).

I'm well aware of the many white racists out there (they've elected one as president) and I'm very anti racism. And while I don't compare the level of it, I don't think I should be the subject of condemnation (in society in general) for being a middle-aged white male.

 

[jcdenton08]

On NSC? Surely not.

It’s fair game for discussion. I haven’t seen any outrageous takes here. In fact, the biggest overreaction/baiting post is one based on comments absolutely nobody here has said, posted in a “humorous parody” sense. (I hope)

What is the world coming to when, despite being presented with a full set of evidence detailing this heinous, aggravated racial assault, a jury of 12 ZEALOTS can find this coloured, homo, Chelski, member of the lesser sex to be "Not Uppity".

FUMMIN


#judiciaryout

 

[BadFish]

In which case she should have just said 'you don’t understand because you’re stupid' (a perfectly fine insult). She brought race into it, in a derogatory manor, which is racist.

Now I'm not suggesting that the book be thrown at her and she get locked away, but I would like to the court call out racism (of which the vast majority is against ethnic minorities) for what it is.




Although I understand your point, the police officer in this case was a victim of racism. If she really needed to make the point that she didn't think he'd understand, she could have just said something like 'I don't think you know what it's like to be a minority and face racism' or something. It's pretty obvious she was just throwing insults, and skin colour was one. If we look at the rest of the case, she was behaving badly and trying to play the victim, despite the fact that she was being driven to a police station and was perfectly safe.




Yes. To make the insult more obtuse, my son is physically disabled and disadvantaged rather than privileged. He's also very sweet, and believed them and felt bad for being this privileged white person. The head teacher apologised and the assistant left (there must have been other reasons for them leaving, because we only wrote a quick complaint and didn't have a meeting or anything).

I'm well aware of the many white racists out there (they've elected one as president) and I'm very anti racism. And while I don't compare the level of it, I don't think I should be the subject of condemnation (in society in general) for being a middle-aged white male.

I agree, I feel like this kind of thing is usuallu accompanied by a bit of a telling off from the judge about the words used. i wonder why it didnt happen this time, or if it it did why it has not been publicised?

One would like to think there will be a consequence from chelsea and Footall Australia. wont hold my breath on the first one and possibly she has missed enough international games (i understand she hasn't played for a while)