Then don't move to the safe standing section, you absolute ****wit..
Rather hard to move to safe standing section.....as there isn`t one, you absolute ****wit.
Then don't move to the safe standing section, you absolute ****wit..
Then don't move to the safe standing section, you absolute ****wit. If you have nothing intelligent to contribute then don't bother next time.
The “dead zone” as I like to call it.I know that (if) it were to happen then the suggestion was a section of the north stand. It would be good if it was the South East curve so that it is in a corner, loud and right near the away fans. Burnley and Huddersfield have been clever to put their noisy support next to the away fans to drown them out.
I believe his objection is on cost grounds rather than anything fundamental.
We are a new ground with top-of-the-range seats installed. Removing and replacing these anytime soon would represent a significant financial cost to the club for no additional benefit.
In 10 years time (or whenever the club expects to have to replace the seats) then I think they will give it real consideration but unless everyone wanting to move to an all-standing section (myself included) wants to cough up, say, a grand each for the modifications, then it just isn't going to happen at the Amex.
Alternatively, if we ever got permission to expand the ground and add a new level to the North (or however it could be done), then it could happen.
Sadly, not even on the agenda as far as the FSF is concerned. They have it somewhere bumping along the pipeline much further back, but safe standing is the priority right now, and all the efforts are being put into that basket.
After that, assuming safe standing is brought in, I suspect drinking in sight of the pitch will go flying up the agenda.
The Government's stance is that they see no reason to change the law. The Football Offences Act was drafted in the wake of the Hillsborough disaster - indeed, despite the Hillsborough disaster. The eventual outcome of the Hillsborough Inquiry 27 years later has meant that - in law at least - the original arguments against standing at matches are now largely redundant.
This argument must now be won on a Health & Safety consideration.
The SGSA, the body advising the government on this and other stadium issues, has a pre-determined agenda which not only operates on an evidence-free basis, it wishes to go further and insist all clubs get all supporters to sit down - all of the time. This, as every safety officer up and down the country tells them, is impractical, unsafe and largely impossible. But still the SGSA persevere.
The Government wants evidence to see the safe-standing is, well... safe. This can only be obtained by either fans standing at matches (the SoS at DCMS has said that they can't), or a club trial safe standing (WBA had their application turned down for reasons which may never be made clear). In short, every club in the country has to break the law (or rather, break the licensing terms of operation) in order to provide the evidence.
Either way, the Government needs to remove its inherent prejudices, and at least allow safe-standing trials - something the PL, FL, almost all clubs, fans and safety officers are in favour of (and clearly much higher than the '5%' the DCMS said was the interest in safe standing). At the moment, Tracey Crouch doesn't want to know.
At least this debate will show in public - and be placed on Hansard - the arguments for safe-standing. At least Ms Crouch won't be able to plead ignorance in the same way some of her colleagues have been lately.
Wasn't drinking within sight of the pitch banned within the same legislation that brought us all seater stadia ? If so it would seem sensible to attempt to change the legislation all in one go than via piecemeal campaigns. That said, my gut feeling is that safe standing will be kicked into the long grass ..... again.
This for me is the crux of the matter. Fans standing in seating areas puts clubs in breach of H&S legislation. If it was a building site, it would be shut down. Away fans (6,000+BHA fans at Fulham) all standing is a good example. Every fan standing with a barrier (back of the seat in front) at knee height is just about the unsafest way to watch a football match, far worse than terracing. For examples of how SS is safe the Gov only need to pop up to Celtic or any of the Euro cubs who have had this in place for a few years now with no safety issues. For examples of how the current situation of standing in seating areas is unsafe, they only have to pop to any PL/Championship game and see for themselves.
The only thing that concerns me about this, is if there is a specific area that will be deemed safe standing, those of us in the NS by the back who do stand, as agreed by mr perry, will be forced to sit or move to wherever that will be.
It may well be the NS, but it may only ge the corners.
I know that (if) it were to happen then the suggestion was a section of the north stand. It would be good if it was the South East curve so that it is in a corner, loud and right near the away fans. Burnley and Huddersfield have been clever to put their noisy support next to the away fans to drown them out.
The only thing that concerns me about this, is if there is a specific area that will be deemed safe standing, those of us in the NS by the back who do stand, as agreed by mr perry, will be forced to sit or move to wherever that will be.
It may well be the NS, but it may only ge the corners.
I agree with safe standing, but I would hope the standing area would be at the back so us oldies can sit near the front without anyone getting in our way.
There should be a choice for fans.
Yup.
The simple way (if it were to come in ) would be to ask al NS STH whether they wish to take up the offer of Safe Standing to find out how many seats they need to convert.
Then convert that many seats to standing across the back of the stand.
Move people to seats / standing with their groups as appropriate.