Russian jet shot down ,WW3 about to begin ?

[surrey jim]

Could it just be an insurance claim?

Russians have an old jet that needs scrapping, fly it close to Turkey, get it shot down, pilot parachutes to safety, insurance is fully comp with protected no claims - new replacement jet on the way. Simples.

Do you get a courtesy jet while the new one is on order?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

someone mentioned oil a while back - it's worth considering how a pipeline may have been a major factor in the whole situation developing. This article dates to 2013 and is quite prescient.
http://ftmdaily.com/what-jerry-thinks/whysyria/

It has been a credible theory for a while that Putin wants to prevent an alternative pipeline from Qatar to Europe to provide an easy alternative to Russian oil.

 

[Man of Harveys]

It has been a credible theory for a while that Putin wants to prevent a pipeline from Quatar to Europe to provide an easy alternative to Russian oil.

Why would you need a pipeline when hundreds of vast ships are bringing oil from the Middle East to Europe and elsewhere every day, whether Putin likes it or not?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Why would you need a pipeline when hundreds of vast ships are bringing oil from the Middle East to Europe and elsewhere every day, whether Putin likes it or not?

Apparantly it would increase supply, and would provide the alternative to the russian source. Hence why Putin wants to keep Assad in power, or prolong the conflict, to prevent it.

 

[heathgate]

I don't think we will honour that if Turkey and Russia kick off.

Yes we will.

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

Do you get a courtesy jet while the new one is on order?

Depends whether you are fully comp or not

 

[alfredmizen]

Why would you need a pipeline when hundreds of vast ships are bringing oil from the Middle East to Europe and elsewhere every day, whether Putin likes it or not?

Because the Iranians could cause chaos by closing the straits of Hormuz pretty easily, you should know that FFS , you used to work for argus(not the brighton paper)

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

I don't think we will honour that if Turkey and Russia kick off.

Yes we will.

NATO meeting at 4pm. Let's see what they say after that.

 

[Charlies Shinpad]

Reminds me of our Cold War days in our big black submarines going where we shouldn't be going

 

[Man of Harveys]

Apparantly it would increase supply, and would provide the alternative to the russian source. Hence why Putin wants to keep Assad in power, or prolong the conflict, to prevent it.

Hmm, I'm not convinced I'm afraid. Unless this rumour is about natgas rather than oil, of which Qatar has a lot and which Russia supplies heavily into Europe.

 

[daveinprague]

Reminds me of our Cold War days in our big black submarines going where we shouldn't be going

Mate of mine was on the Swiftsure that took pictures of the new Soviet Carriers (Kiev) propellers back in the day :-D

 

[heathgate]

They don't actually share any border at all with Russia.Now you could argue that NATO wanted to have a naval presence in the Black Sea , and you could argue that they shared a border with 3 old soviet states of Armenia,Azerbaijan and Georgia , but that border isn't very long either, as for threatening, I think that's neither here nor there.

It was a very sensitive region during the cold war....Turkey wanted protection...it's long sea and land borders with a huge tranche of the former Soviet bloc.....Bulgaria, Romania, Soviet Union,..thousands of miles of border ( land and sea)...meant that if not protected, Moscow could threaten western Europe through the eastern med via the black Sea and the southern straights.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Hmm, I'm not convinced I'm afraid. Unless this rumour is about natgas rather than oil, of which Qatar has a lot and which Russia supplies heavily into Europe.

Maybe it is a potential gas pipeline rather than oil, I forget, it was a while back that this was mooted.

 

[dingodan]

As for picking sides, Turkey are a member of Nato so, ergo, we are on their side.

Because principles is principles, but friendz is friendz.

 

[vegster]

Things calming down it would seem but it was denied that the Russian State Security Committee had been asked by Mr Putin to demand that Mr Putin take "serious action " for the shooting down, and that an edict had been issued to all Russian pilots to make sure their Garmin's had been updated recently.

 

[dingodan]

Things calming down it would seem but it was denied that the Russian State Security Committee had been asked by Mr Putin to demand that Mr Putin take "serious action " for the shooting down, and that an edict had been issued to all Russian pilots to make sure their Garmin's had been updated recently.

If you are going to say Russia has denied X, you should really be including who was asserting X or where it came from.

The claim that "the Russian State Security Committee had been asked by Mr Putin to demand that Mr Putin take "serious action " for the shooting down, and that an edict had been issued to all Russian pilots to make sure their Garmin's had been updated recently." is pretty detailed, who said that? I've tried using google, but haven't found any mention of this, can you post a link.

 

[vegster]

If you are going to say Russia has denied X, you should really be including who was asserting X or where it came from.

The claim that "the Russian State Security Committee had been asked by Mr Putin to demand that Mr Putin take "serious action " for the shooting down, and that an edict had been issued to all Russian pilots to make sure their Garmin's had been updated recently." is pretty detailed, who said that? I've tried using google, but haven't found any mention of this, can you post a link.

It was a joke.

 

[Buzzer]

Apparantly it would increase supply, and would provide the alternative to the russian source. Hence why Putin wants to keep Assad in power, or prolong the conflict, to prevent it.

If you watch the excellent Robert Newman show about oil he explains that the First World War started because of a similar situation. The Germans wanted to complete a supply line that ran from Austria-Germany through the Balkans to Turkey and then Iraq that did away with the need for the Germans having to use the Suez Canal. They used the assassination of Franz Ferdinand as a pretext for cementing control of the area - a decision the British were not happy with at all. It was no coincidence that the place the first British troops were placed in WWI was Baghdad.

 

[dingodan]

It was a joke.

 

[Hillian1]

It was a joke.

Yeah, everyone knows they use Tom Toms.