Yes. Agreed with every word. Unfortunately, he is no great orator, but he got the message across (but not to the Russian delegation, I very much doubt; bastards).
[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)
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It doesn't matter what Russia thinks, it matters what the rest of the world think and do. If we all stand with Ukraine, Ukraine will prevail.
The most important thing for now is that Putin's puppet doesn't get control of the US.
Sirnormangall
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- Sep 21, 2017
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Absolutely agree. Eloquently said - a great punchy speech. He’s gone up in my estimation and I hope our government’s actions match his words.
Sirnormangall
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- Sep 21, 2017
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Not the first load of sh1t to come out of Russia
Ship packed with 20,000 tonnes of explosive cargo spotted floating off Kent coast
A damaged Russian-operated ship carrying 20,000 tonnes of explosive cargo is floating close to the Kent coast.www.lbc.co.uk
- Aug 24, 2020
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Vesselfinder has it still off the Kent coast, just outside UK waters:
Russia seems to be upping the Mafia gangsta strong arm stuff now. Anchoring a shipload of explosive material off the UK coast, and yet another nuke based threat.
RUBY Current position (General Cargo Ship, IMO 9626390) - VesselFinder
RUBY last position is 52 N, 3 E with speed of 7.5 knots. TRACK ON MAP...
Interesting website - the seas are busyVesselfinder has it still off the Kent coast, just outside UK waters:
Russia seems to be upping the Mafia gangsta strong arm stuff now. Anchoring a shipload of explosive material off the UK coast, and yet another nuke based threat.
RUBY Current position (General Cargo Ship, IMO 9626390) - VesselFinder
RUBY last position is 52 N, 3 E with speed of 7.5 knots. TRACK ON MAP...www.vesselfinder.com
- Aug 24, 2020
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U-turn by Trump. Now he has agreed to meet Zelensky. Hmmm.
Does Putin want to know the contents of Zelensky's 'Victory Plan'?
www.theguardian.com
Does Putin want to know the contents of Zelensky's 'Victory Plan'?
Ukraine war briefing: Trump to meet Zelenskyy, and refuses to say if Ukraine should cede territory to Russia
Former president to meet Ukrainian president at Trump Tower on Friday amid fierce criticism of his campaign’s plans to end Russia’s invasion. What we know on day 947
www.theguardian.com
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I wonder if this u-turn had anything to do with Starmer’s meeting with Trump? - Trump suddenly realising there was a lost opportunity to assert his influence even as an unelected representative of State - Starmer meeting Trump before he is even elected has maybe given him a sense of kudos to get involved in the Ukraine dialogue. (Personally I think it was a mistake for the PM to agree to meet Trump while he was spouting the offensive position he has been spouting on Ukraine - especially when he didn’t meet Harris who has doubled down on support for Ukranians.U-turn by Trump. Now he has agreed to meet Zelensky. Hmmm.
Does Putin want to know the contents of Zelensky's 'Victory Plan'?
Ukraine war briefing: Trump to meet Zelenskyy, and refuses to say if Ukraine should cede territory to Russia
Former president to meet Ukrainian president at Trump Tower on Friday amid fierce criticism of his campaign’s plans to end Russia’s invasion. What we know on day 947
Yes, I can't imagine Trump will be discreet about Zelenskiy's proposals.U-turn by Trump. Now he has agreed to meet Zelensky. Hmmm.
Does Putin want to know the contents of Zelensky's 'Victory Plan'?
Ukraine war briefing: Trump to meet Zelenskyy, and refuses to say if Ukraine should cede territory to Russia
Former president to meet Ukrainian president at Trump Tower on Friday amid fierce criticism of his campaign’s plans to end Russia’s invasion. What we know on day 947
But Zelenskiy is showing his determination not to give up...on any front.
Let's hope the US actually deliver this 8 billion,and quickly.
It's looking as if Ukraine may have to rely on it's drone tech for long range strikes into Russia. They are proving the potential weekly.
Maybe Starmer wanted to encourage Trump to be open minded about Ukraine, and highlight the benefit of supporting them? I see little point in not trying.
Yep, worth a try.
Trump could turn on a dime if he sees any self benefit. It's worth at least planting some seeds in his head.
- Aug 24, 2020
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For me, the best bet for the reason for Trump's U-turn, was this from Kamala Harris:
' Trump campaign’s policy on ending Russia’s war as “proposals of surrender”
'Democratic nominee calls Republican plan to end war between Ukraine and Russia ‘dangerous and unacceptable’.
Strong stuff. Kamala landed a big hit there.
' Trump campaign’s policy on ending Russia’s war as “proposals of surrender”
'Democratic nominee calls Republican plan to end war between Ukraine and Russia ‘dangerous and unacceptable’.
Strong stuff. Kamala landed a big hit there.
Nobby Cybergoat
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- Jul 19, 2021
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Zelensky is a better man than me and loves his country and cherishes the lives of his troops, so i'm sure he'll resist the temptation to close the doors, twat Trump one and give him the shoeing he badly deserves
Notice you said “head”, rather than brain !
I'd love it if Zelensky's security services had obtained any krompromat that Putin may have on Trump.U-turn by Trump. Now he has agreed to meet Zelensky. Hmmm.
Does Putin want to know the contents of Zelensky's 'Victory Plan'?
Ukraine war briefing: Trump to meet Zelenskyy, and refuses to say if Ukraine should cede territory to Russia
Former president to meet Ukrainian president at Trump Tower on Friday amid fierce criticism of his campaign’s plans to end Russia’s invasion. What we know on day 947
That would somewhat checkmate Trump's support of the Kremlin.
Oh well, I can dream.
- Oct 20, 2022
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Dream on.
He u-turned on speaking to Zelenksyy because it suited his narcissistic focus on being “in” with high level talks particularly as Starmer didn’t speak to Harris which I maintain was a mistake. Harris is just as much the likely next President as Trump.
Trump is never going to be ‘open-minded’ about Ukraine, he is a Putin appeaser and any relationship between Trump and Zelenskyy is going to be characterised by Trump putting pressure on him to concede territory to Putin in some Trump-Putin favoured peace plan much in the same way, his Peace Plan for Israel sold the Palestinians down the river by agreeing that a 3rd of the West Bank be given to Israel.
Trump needs to be kept away from imposing any settlements in Ukraine - it is up to Zelenskyy what deal if any he makes with Russia, I don’t care how “open-minded” he pretends to be nor do I read anything into him agreeing to meet with Zelenskyy other than it is access for him to push Putin’s agenda for Ukraine as he always has done.
That depends whether the undecided voters care or not
Yes...and I did think about that before I typed it
